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hello and welcome to the show we've got

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a great one for you tonight

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first of all the first part of the show

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is a clear accorded it was done on

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Sunday and I am very happy to have well

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my former basically newscaster Michael

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luck is joining us Alejandro Rojas is on

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a cruise as I mentioned last week and

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with with Michael luck I have the one

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and only Calvin Parker we're going to be

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talking about the Pascagoula incident

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how it all came about to where he's at

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today there's a lot of things going on

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and exciting things for for Calvin and

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the case itself we're gonna talk a bit

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about that and this after the first

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break I have a Charlotte man is going to

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be talking her grandfather was the one

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thank you much she all right here to

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introduce all the K Joyce and said

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listen it right on the housing line call

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the saw the crash site to bless these

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small bodies so I'm gonna be talking all

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about that and that starts after the

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first break for now I think I will

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introduce the guest the guy that just

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bailed me out Michael Luke and Calvin

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Parker welcome all right thanks for

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having us mark yeah thanks for having us

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it's good to be back I know Michael I'd

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spent a long time since you've been on

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the show right a couple three four years

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maybe we'll probably yeah I've weird

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schedules always so you know and the

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last time I think I was on I was guest

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hosting for you so you weren't on that's

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right that's all right I think was

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Stanton Friedman maybe yes I'm the guy

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who interviewed Stan Friedman and we

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didn't talk about UFOs not even flying

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saucers no no no how about that we

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talked about his career it was great oh

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that's awesome well now I want to

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Michael I want to thank

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because of this whole thing that has

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happened with Calvin all started with

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you

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the Pascagoula incident and Calvin

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reached out to me about that blog and

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one thing led to another and boy has it

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ever snow balled ever since that hasn't

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it Calvin oh I guarantee you you it's

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been a real blessing this show to me it

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put me in touch with Philip they know a

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lot of other things and I mean it's just

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don't wild every day something new comes

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up I'm on Phillip Phillips mailing list

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and I can't I can't get over it seems

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like every day there's something major

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going on why don't you tell us what

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what's happened since what what is going

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on as far as bit on new stations you've

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been on all kinds of things yeah it's

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been a lot of major news stations such

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as Fox News Waterworld

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than all these local stations around

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here but it's been a number of news

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stations that I've been on I never

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really wrote this book to all to get it

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popular nothing I did it to just set the

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record straight and my story because

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they'd been changed so much by the news

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and I had every news agency in the world

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mad at me because I wouldn't give an

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interview now all of them want to come

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to me they want an interviews with me

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and of course I'd do it I'm gonna do it

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for about a year or so I remember you

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saying that and then you're just gonna

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fade fade back into the background again

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right that's exactly right

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hopefully this coming October now I've

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already got a couple of conferences that

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I've signed up for you know on the

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contract I'll do them after you know

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next year but as far as that one day

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over I'm I'm doing them I'll be fishing

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again I'll be off period I think

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Michaels article that was one you didn't

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have to correct I don't believe I

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remember you're just writing me about it

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and I said

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Sindhi Calvin Parker is it yes no one

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could get ahold of you for years right

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oh I would completely avoid everything

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but for some reason I was drawn to the

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article and I felt I needed to respond

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some but I really didn't want to get

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into spotlight but as you know that all

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changed pretty much yeah

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yeah if it had been for you Martin they

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wouldn't be able because Philip

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contacted you to get a hold of me and

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that's the way that all we we touch base

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together yeah I remember when you and I

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had a conversation you said you were

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thinking about a book right at that time

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I was but all it was was a thought Oh

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leave it up until I decided to write a

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book it was still a thought I actually

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told my wife she's the one that started

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all of it and by luck of all things the

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next day Philip had contacted you for me

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to contact him well it still took him a

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couple of weeks to talk me into it and

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the one reason I did I felt like I owed

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all an explanation to everybody that

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that was I've never talked to this to my

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wife or my family or anyone else and I

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didn't want to tell this that many times

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so I thought well you know the book

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would be a good deal I can tell it one

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time then they can buy - they won't hear

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the story you or I give them a copy and

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you were kind enough to send me a copy

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and boy is that how many pages is that

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book I I'm not for sure around 800 I

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fake it to a bunch of them it's like a

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Bible yeah it's huge

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Philip really did his homework on

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getting together all the articles and

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everything in it I think he did a great

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job with it Michael jump in anytime you

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want if you have any questions oh yeah

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of course I've I gotta say I'm impressed

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800 pages that that is a tome it is

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actually when I was writing the book he

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was putting together all the homework

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you know I had lost

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all my information in Katrina my house

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once again flooded and once you flood

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get all this water in it's gone so why

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he was getting that together I was

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writing on the book and the one deal

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that we Philip and I had together I said

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you know I'll agree to do this book but

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I don't I don't have any education but I

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still don't want you to edit this book

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in any way I don't want you to correct

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any spelling I don't want you to punch

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away ssin or changing anything that I

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put in it and he agreed and I figured

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I'd have to argue with him about it but

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he's really held to it and did good by

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not appreciating for it Wow

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that is that's really great so it's more

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in your own words than it then if anyone

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touched it that's wonderful it is it is

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my own words nothing's been changed in

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I know there's a you know they're the

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one thing I have to say is I do have a

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lot of new listeners to the show you

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were on about I think seven or eight

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months ago on my show and I I hate I

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hate to do this for the person that

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knows the case really well but can you

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kind of get for the new listener can you

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kind of give a nutshell story of what

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happened please we can I was working in

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the oil field in Laurel Mississippi and

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it was 69 hours a day seven days a week

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so I wanted to change jobs and I called

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a friend of my father's which was

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but I knew him then I was brought up

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with him so anyway he told me to come

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and go to work and go to work at the

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shipyard with you so I agreed to do that

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so I rented the room from Charlie and

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moved in so we went to work that day I

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was just under one day and we read in

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the room that day and from him and

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worked and I decided to go fishing after

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that well this was in October 11th of

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1973 so went on we got off where we left

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and went fishing and we went to an old

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abandoned shipyard

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called Shou Peter shipyard and I

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remember getting there and there was no

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trespassing sign up but we still went on

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and he said it was okay I didn't know if

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it was or not so we were sitting there

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fishing then I noticed some blue lights

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behind us and it was the same colors

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patrol car so I actually thought was

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fixing to get run off or go to jail for

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trespassing which would have been fine

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with me because I was tired anyway so of

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anyhow I was sitting there looking at

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the boat across and I seen a host oh

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Oh still whole ship and I was thinking

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how do these things float you know

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they're really heavy and they I don't

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know how they float and that's when I

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noticed the blue lights coming from

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behind me so long as the blue light was

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coming from behind me I turned around

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and looked because I thought I was

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fixing to go to jail for trespassing so

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when we stood up we noticed a bright

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light being behind us and all of a

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sudden we just turned the stood up and

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turned around and the light was real

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bright and that's when we noticed three

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we couldn't make them out because the

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lights are so bright that's when we

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noticed three of robotic looking beans

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that was coming toward us and as they

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approached us two of them got to hold a

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child and one got ahold of myself and

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that's when I kind of felt an injection

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in my arm

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probably just settled me down I don't

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know what it was far but you know I was

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scared when this was going on but after

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the injection I noticed my body was more

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or less paralyzed and I could turn my

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head one way or another and I could roll

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my eyes and look but I couldn't move my

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anyhow they picked us up levitated as I

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floated us to the shield and that's when

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I noticed on the ship that the lights

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were so bright in there and I couldn't

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figure out where they was coming from

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there was no light fixtures it like they

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was just coming out of the walls so

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I did notice that because I was curious

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where all these bright lights come from

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well they took me into a different room

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than what they did the guy that was with

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me

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table and I was at about a 45 degree

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angle when I was on this table so well I

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noticed from the ceiling though that

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something dropped out of the Sailing

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about the size of a deck of cards and it

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rotated around my head and clicked four

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times then it went back up into the wall

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so when it did that this big ugly

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creature that I called him the robotic

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looking creature or soldier step back

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and there was this smaller looking

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female looking creature and I called it

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a female because she was smaller built

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than the other ones and it just felt

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more like she was a female than a male

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she came out of the room she kind of

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pitched me on the cheek and that's when

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I noticed her fingers was a little

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longer on her hands or two middle

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fingers were a little longer on her

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hands than Watteau this other creature

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had and she run her finger down my

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throat and tried to come up behind that

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little deal that hangs down back there I

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don't know what to call it and that's

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when I started strangling and having a

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problem because she was choking me and

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was into my Mazal cavities so well I

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kind of panicked and that's when I

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noticed she backed up and just a little

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bit in her mouth that moved she had a

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mouth nose and it was just like we did

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her mouth never moved she kind of

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telepathically told me don't worry we're

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not going to hurt you but you know by

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then I was already bleeding and

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strangling I was scared so well she made

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a little mumble will her throat really

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didn't say nothing and this big ugly

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creature came back in grabbed me by the

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arm and that's when I felt a second

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injection into my arm and I kind of

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settled down he floated this back out to

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all the river and set us down and I was

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at the river with my

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arm stretched out I couldn't move just

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facing it that's when I heard Charlie

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son son you okay and we turned around

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the big bright light went out the blue

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hazy lights came back on this thing

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lifted up and I left and it was just

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from that time on or the next morning on

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it was just a nightmare with the media I

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guess ever media in the world and I'm

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not saying just here in the United

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States but they picked it up all the

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overseas countries and everything else I

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didn't realize how big it was till I

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started looking through the book with

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Philip and given all this information

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but uh it has stayed with me for 45

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years it completely changed my life

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I went from getting married working the

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same job retired by the house and

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fishing - whoa

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losing the job getting an examination

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and leaving all in the same day I had

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that job on the coast one day after all

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this happened to me well they then I got

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fired now so or pretty much because they

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told us not to come back until the media

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settled down and I often wondered that

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maybe that's why Charlie didn't go back

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you may be heap of seen a little break

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they do these conferences and maybe make

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a few dollars you know he was little

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older and just do that instead of trying

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to find another job because he might

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have thought you know maybe nobody else

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was hired of course everybody knew what

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happened to me but nobody asked

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questions I got home my wife didn't that

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or she wasn't my wife then but she

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didn't ask what happened my family

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didn't ask my friends didn't ask and I

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dang sure didn't tell them well so I

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just hid it for 45 years up until our

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July of last year I guess when the book

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came out oh really something Michael I

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have I have a question to ask but you go

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ahead if you have something you'd like

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to throw in

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well you know you seem pretty

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comfortable with it now talking about it

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things like that it are there any other

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than how it's affected your life and you

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know your relationships and your working

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and all that how is it do you wake up at

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night do you can you watch or hear other

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people's stories of encounters or does

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that bother you or is there a fear at

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all about what happened well it's still

347
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a fear in a way because I would like to

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know why it happened which I'm almost

349
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sure I'll never figure that out and

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that's why I'm asked in witnesses to

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come forward that might have seen

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something that maybe they shed a little

353
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light on it but I do think it affected

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my health and the reason I say that is

355
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for 45 years I couldn't sleep at night

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until this book came out and I wrote it

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so I was uh I've had a stroke and two

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major heart attacks and two open-heart

359
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surgeries and I'm still not healthy and

360
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it's like I tell everybody you know it's

361
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a expiration date stamped on my head so

362
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you got to well I wanted to get this out

363
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before I expired and just left everybody

364
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in the open not knowing and so it's been

365
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a good thing for me just taught me how

366
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to deal with everything now now did you

367
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ever read the book that Charlie did no

368
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sir I didn't ever ready Charlie came to

369
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me one day said I'm gonna write a book

370
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I'll give you three percent of it which

371
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everybody knows three percent ain't

372
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nothing anyhow I didn't care about no

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percentage I just signed the contract

374
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said Riley I don't care Charlie so you

375
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know that's where it was left I never

376
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opened it although Phillips sent me a

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copy of it and I have a chance so and I

378
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understand he's got a lot of good

379
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information in the book a lot of

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witnesses and things like that but I'm

381
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never ready now did you you know you

382
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said you kept a little quiet about this

383
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for so long

384
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but did you

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that people recognize your name here and

386
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there along the way all these years and

387
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strike up a conversation about it

388
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absolutely but I wouldn't talk about it

389
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and that is another reason if the book

390
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was written I was at a friend's I wake

391
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and I signed the register at his wake

392
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and it was it was in our pascagoula and

393
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these people started coming up ruv

394
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Calvin Parker I said well I guess I am

395
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that's my main so they started asking me

396
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a lot of questions I didn't feel like

397
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that that was the place to answer into

398
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the question so we left and that's when

399
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my wife started talking to me and said

400
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well maybe you are writable

401
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so 1l I don't have an education I can't

402
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spell my own name so maybe if I get a

403
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ghostwriter you know we might do this

404
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that was just to satisfy her and pass

405
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her off and maybe she'd forget all about

406
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it we're done the next day oh I got a

407
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letter from you asking if it was okay to

408
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get Philip my contact information then

409
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that's a philip called on a completely

410
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unrelated to me and he had called an

411
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unrelated event and wanted to talk to me

412
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about Charlie's book which I didn't know

413
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anything about so it led into him saying

414
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well why don't you do your own that

415
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would be your legacy you know we talked

416
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and I told him everything got changed

417
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and it would be written black and white

418
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so I told him maybe let me think about

419
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it and I was gonna blow him off and so

420
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it was about two weeks later he called

421
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back and I told him well let me think

422
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about it and then though he happened to

423
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call back a few days again and I I

424
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actually said yeah I'll do it he said oh

425
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he said well it might take you two or

426
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three years to do this I said I don't

427
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know how long it took takes you back

428
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read a book and awaking right to learn

429
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anything in a week and that's what I did

430
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I went to my room I told my wife nah I'm

431
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not taking no phone calls bring me

432
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something to eat once a day

433
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and don't bother me this went on for two

434
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weeks I stayed locked up at my room and

435
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as I was putting it together then Philip

436
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was putting his part together and we

437
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just marched them all together then

438
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isn't that something for you should

439
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write more books if you can do it in two

440
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weeks

441
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actually I want to talk to you more

442
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about how you get your wife to do that

443
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cuz you know I've read a couple books

444
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and it does not come off like that for

445
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me

446
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oh it's hard you know every nannies

447
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should come knock on the door I'd say

448
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get out of here that's what she did Wow

449
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hey is there is there any talk of a

450
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documentary or anything like that about

451
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the whole incident have you have you

452
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been involved in anything like that I

453
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pretty much left Finland panel in I'll

454
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handle it but it has been talk about

455
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documentaries it's been talk about

456
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movies and things like that but we are

457
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both trying to keep it as realistic as

458
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what you can if some of this does happen

459
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and in that way you know it scares a lot

460
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of these movie companies and all off

461
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because they want to create their own

462
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version of it sure and you know little

463
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changes here and there might would work

464
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out like oh just say there was two five

465
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please come out and they don't use the

466
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two or three you know that would be the

467
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only difference or something that I

468
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would accept I'm not going to accept

469
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anything changing the basic story so

470
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that's that scares them all off yeah

471
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well you know maybe eventually they'll

472
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agree to that I know I had a

473
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conversation with Travis Walton and he

474
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said that yes they did you know and fire

475
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in the sky the movie they did and you

476
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know this didn't happen that didn't

477
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happen but he said overall he was he was

478
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still happy that the it got out you know

479
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but he you know they will do that they

480
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for some reason even though it's such a

481
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spectacular case they seem to always

482
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have to sensationalize it a little more

483
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than it is for some reason exactly right

484
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and I don't understand that how can you

485
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get more out of what

486
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happened and what's going on right now

487
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the description of the I saw this this

488
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model that was made in the description

489
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of the being that you saw with the like

490
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carrot things coming out of where the

491
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ear should be in the single one coming

492
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out of the I such no one has ever talked

493
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about anything that looked like that

494
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before or after as far as I know and one

495
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thing I started thinking about I wrote

496
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on Philips Facebook page when he posted

497
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that picture is I'm wondering if those

498
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things were some type of sensors you

499
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know yeah

500
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I've often thought about that now during

501
00:23:00,930 --> 00:22:57,820
the stage you know Charlie seen them up

502
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close and that was his own well the

503
00:23:05,789 --> 00:23:03,700
artist through him that done it now I

504
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never really got a good look in the face

505
00:23:12,269 --> 00:23:08,049
of them you know I did see the female

506
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real close and now I have a yo artist

507
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and I'm working with and we're trying to

508
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get it as close to perfection it's what

509
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we can of course after 45 years about

510
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doing a lot of thinking you know and

511
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figuring that's hard to do so it's just

512
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when it gets perfect we're gonna release

513
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that and no matter how how striking the

514
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memory is we're all fallible when it

515
00:23:38,669 --> 00:23:36,070
comes to remembering something exactly

516
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the way it is over the years exactly

517
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right you put 10 people out to witness

518
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something and everyone I'm a witness

519
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something different that's right now

520
00:23:51,180 --> 00:23:49,090
we've got about three minutes or so left

521
00:23:54,539 --> 00:23:51,190
of I just wanted to know if you could to

522
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touch on anything that was a revelation

523
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that you saw that Philip found you know

524
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and put into the book that you had no

525
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:03,850
idea about all right yeah the one thing

526
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:07,690
was Budd Hopkins had tried to hypnotize

527
00:24:14,909 --> 00:24:10,960
me and I never really thought he had to

528
00:24:17,159 --> 00:24:14,919
hypnotize me this was in 93 and I just

529
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:17,169
mentioned to Philip that Budd trial and

530
00:24:24,690 --> 00:24:20,890
oh he of course but it passed away and

531
00:24:27,980 --> 00:24:24,700
he got the original tape from dr. Jacobs

532
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:27,990
I never knew I was hypnotized

533
00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:31,650
till I read it in the book and I when I

534
00:24:36,890 --> 00:24:33,750
told my wife I said I didn't think that

535
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really happened I didn't know but he had

536
00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:39,030
put a posthypnotic suggestion that I

537
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wouldn't remember it so that was all

538
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:42,690
amazing to me that was something new

539
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:44,730
that I didn't know and I started briefly

540
00:24:50,180 --> 00:24:47,760
I hadn't read the whole transcripts of

541
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:50,190
it because I want to remember it like I

542
00:24:56,500 --> 00:24:52,860
will remember it I don't remember it

543
00:25:00,020 --> 00:24:56,510
like what come off a tape and so I'm

544
00:25:02,570 --> 00:25:00,030
still in that process okay anything else

545
00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:02,580
up anything else that was interesting in

546
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:05,910
the book that you didn't know about I'm

547
00:25:10,970 --> 00:25:08,850
sure it's quite a few things I actually

548
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:10,980
need to sit and read the book to see

549
00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:14,850
what is in it I've never really read it

550
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:17,220
well I've been swimming in he says just

551
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:19,770
come out no I'm telling you when this

552
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:22,530
came out it was number one bestseller at

553
00:25:28,460 --> 00:25:26,010
Amazon that the day it come out to stay

554
00:25:30,380 --> 00:25:28,470
docked had a long time and I'm not for

555
00:25:34,250 --> 00:25:30,390
sure where it is now I don't never check

556
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:34,260
it oh and of course everybody knows ever

557
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:36,570
offer knows it's involved in this field

558
00:25:42,380 --> 00:25:39,210
it's no money in these books you know

559
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:42,390
you do that because you want to do it

560
00:25:48,830 --> 00:25:45,690
you know and I I have no reason to

561
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:48,840
fabricate anything like this I just go

562
00:25:52,490 --> 00:25:50,850
on what my word is somebody said well I

563
00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:52,500
don't believe yes and well I don't kill

564
00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:55,080
you blame me or not you know it's don't

565
00:25:57,290 --> 00:25:56,760
mean that much to me if you blame me or

566
00:25:59,600 --> 00:25:57,300
not

567
00:26:01,400 --> 00:25:59,610
yeah I saw someone attacked you on

568
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:01,410
Facebook too and now there's no need for

569
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:03,530
that that's that's ridiculous

570
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,850
yeah a lot of it has to do with fears

571
00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:07,440
you know when people have a fear of

572
00:26:14,210 --> 00:26:11,070
something they attack they did my wife

573
00:26:19,250 --> 00:26:14,220
it went up and somebody had made some

574
00:26:22,550 --> 00:26:19,260
jewelry for and she asked if she could

575
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:22,560
sell it or she could sell it for them

576
00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:24,690
and and I gave her permission I said

577
00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:26,220
yeah you know because it's got my name

578
00:26:30,020 --> 00:26:28,710
you know if you want to do something and

579
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:30,030
make you a few dollars to these

580
00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:31,770
conferences or something that would be

581
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:34,140
fine and somebody popped up

582
00:26:40,550 --> 00:26:38,010
I forget what words are used I hate to

583
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:40,560
see you relate to doing costume jewelry

584
00:26:45,290 --> 00:26:41,370
and all the

585
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:45,300
of course I just told him yoga hail God

586
00:26:48,860 --> 00:26:47,010
and here yeah that's right

587
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:48,870
Michael you have one last you have one

588
00:26:54,380 --> 00:26:51,450
last question or anything dad no

589
00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:54,390
actually uh you know I haven't had a

590
00:26:59,150 --> 00:26:55,710
chance to read the book yet and I'm

591
00:27:01,910 --> 00:26:59,160
looking forward to it now I am I'm glad

592
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:01,920
to hear that did ultimately you're doing

593
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:03,930
really well it sounds like you've kind

594
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:07,050
of come to terms and and kind of made

595
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,510
peace with this as much as you can and

596
00:27:14,030 --> 00:27:12,240
it's just great to know that you're

597
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:14,040
doing great because so many of these

598
00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:17,370
stories end up kind of not turning out

599
00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:21,240
so so well and I'm I'm really happy for

600
00:27:27,290 --> 00:27:23,700
you well thank you when you're reading

601
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:27,300
the book give me call me or something

602
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:30,240
let me know how watching sorry III will

603
00:27:33,380 --> 00:27:31,650
and don't worry about not making money

604
00:27:36,770 --> 00:27:33,390
off any books I can assure you there's

605
00:27:39,260 --> 00:27:36,780
no money in fiction either no sorry yeah

606
00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:39,270
all right well we are at the break now

607
00:27:43,670 --> 00:27:41,670
thanks so much gentlemen it's been a

608
00:27:46,580 --> 00:27:43,680
it's been such a pleasure I've really

609
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:46,590
enjoyed it thank you will you post me a

610
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:47,850
link to this someone

611
00:27:54,110 --> 00:27:50,850
oh sure will do all right okay everyone

612
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:54,120
so that's it we are going to be back

613
00:28:06,049 --> 00:27:57,930
right after this break with Charlotte

614
00:28:15,889 --> 00:28:11,389
all right and we are back and welcome to

615
00:28:18,259 --> 00:28:15,899
the show back everyone I want to bring

616
00:28:22,009 --> 00:28:18,269
on our guest I'm really excited to have

617
00:28:24,219 --> 00:28:22,019
her on at Charlotte man and she is the

618
00:28:28,249 --> 00:28:24,229
granddaughter of Reverend William

619
00:28:30,589 --> 00:28:28,259
Huffman back in 1941 I believe was April

620
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:30,599
you know we think of the modern day you

621
00:28:38,329 --> 00:28:35,279
follow G as 1947 well this pre this you

622
00:28:41,149 --> 00:28:38,339
know happened well before that six years

623
00:28:42,889 --> 00:28:41,159
before that and it's a real real

624
00:28:45,109 --> 00:28:42,899
interesting case

625
00:28:48,829 --> 00:28:45,119
her grandfather only wanted to talk

626
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:48,839
about it once in his life and I have a

627
00:28:54,289 --> 00:28:51,450
lot of questions to ask her so welcome

628
00:28:57,139 --> 00:28:54,299
to the show Charlotte thank you very

629
00:28:59,959 --> 00:28:57,149
much appreciate you having me sure and

630
00:29:02,719 --> 00:28:59,969
it's been a long time now this sup this

631
00:29:05,719 --> 00:29:02,729
is something I wanted to bring up how we

632
00:29:09,919 --> 00:29:05,729
met is of really a crazy situation I had

633
00:29:13,159 --> 00:29:09,929
a guest blogged on my on my website

634
00:29:15,229 --> 00:29:13,169
podcast UFO calm and you found it and

635
00:29:18,709 --> 00:29:15,239
then you also saw the show number and

636
00:29:23,450 --> 00:29:18,719
you just happen to dial it to talk to me

637
00:29:25,450 --> 00:29:23,460
while I had a show going on I had no

638
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,460
idea when you first called like

639
00:29:30,349 --> 00:29:28,080
Charlotte man that name sounds familiar

640
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:30,359
but you said you had some errors on your

641
00:29:37,339 --> 00:29:34,710
website and so anyway I I did not write

642
00:29:39,649 --> 00:29:37,349
that blog so I took it down and you're

643
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:39,659
here to set the record straight and I

644
00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:43,200
really do appreciate you coming on well

645
00:29:49,249 --> 00:29:44,940
I'm glad that you gave me the platform

646
00:29:53,089 --> 00:29:49,259
to do so I'm not the type that likes to

647
00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:53,099
undermine other people but when some one

648
00:29:58,430 --> 00:29:55,320
talks about your family in a very

649
00:30:00,680 --> 00:29:58,440
personal way and in yourself as well as

650
00:30:03,049 --> 00:30:00,690
if they know you intimately and they

651
00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:03,059
know what you were thinking when you did

652
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:05,700
things that kind of crosses the line

653
00:30:11,389 --> 00:30:08,460
with me and I had just bet had enough of

654
00:30:14,719 --> 00:30:11,399
it sure yeah so I'm sure you see that

655
00:30:17,509 --> 00:30:14,729
all over the place everywhere I'm all

656
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:17,519
over the internet and with most of them

657
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:19,770
when people call me and say Charlotte

658
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:23,730
professor what about this and I'm not

659
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,710
looking at people I've never met I

660
00:30:32,419 --> 00:30:27,600
wouldn't know them if I pass them on the

661
00:30:36,260 --> 00:30:32,429
street and it that was a surprise to me

662
00:30:39,890 --> 00:30:36,270
and very disconcerting to me simply

663
00:30:43,580 --> 00:30:39,900
because I my grandfather's experience

664
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:43,590
was just that and why what I tried to do

665
00:30:51,020 --> 00:30:46,170
is is be an authentic witness to his

666
00:30:54,130 --> 00:30:51,030
experience but I'm not used to the

667
00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:54,140
politics and that the things that go on

668
00:31:00,830 --> 00:30:57,059
I'm not used to people totally lying

669
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:00,840
about you so that's a strong word yeah

670
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:03,600
it's not good and I'm not used to it and

671
00:31:07,790 --> 00:31:06,210
I haven't had it around me so it was

672
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:07,800
kind of hard to deal with in the

673
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:13,740
beginning sure now if that the blog that

674
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:15,570
the guest blog you know I can't remember

675
00:31:21,049 --> 00:31:17,910
who wrote that and sent it in to me but

676
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:21,059
if there was an inaccuracies I've

677
00:31:24,770 --> 00:31:22,710
already said this to you on the phone

678
00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:24,780
but I really do apologize that that was

679
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:27,960
out there and it's gone now so I would

680
00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:31,080
like for you if you would come there's a

681
00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:33,150
lot of people that just are not familiar

682
00:31:38,540 --> 00:31:35,070
with this story at all if you can just

683
00:31:40,330 --> 00:31:38,550
go into detail on on what you know about

684
00:31:44,419 --> 00:31:40,340
what happened that would be wonderful

685
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:44,429
well what what literally happened and

686
00:31:51,169 --> 00:31:47,690
it's Bend bits and pieces of it told

687
00:31:52,910 --> 00:31:51,179
I've only given permission to one person

688
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:52,920
to tell the story in the very beginning

689
00:32:00,130 --> 00:31:56,100
and that was on the privacy that he

690
00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:00,140
wouldn't reveal me or or the source but

691
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:02,390
Lin Stringfield

692
00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:07,679
research I enjoyed him I never got to

693
00:32:13,940 --> 00:32:09,000
meet him in person

694
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:13,950
but I had it was early in the spring of

695
00:32:20,419 --> 00:32:18,120
1941 it was April and I know and have

696
00:32:23,210 --> 00:32:20,429
been exact with that although I've had a

697
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:23,220
lot of people try to change that try to

698
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:25,650
tell me it wasn't that time or wasn't it

699
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:29,610
Easter and it isn't because my mother at

700
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:32,220
the time was expecting my older sister

701
00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:32,970
and

702
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:36,299
she was born May the third so I'm very

703
00:32:42,140 --> 00:32:39,360
strong on the time but the family was

704
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:42,150
together this thing my grandmother and

705
00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:43,710
my grandfather who's lived in Cape

706
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:48,150
Girardeau Missouri at the time and about

707
00:32:53,060 --> 00:32:50,250
9:00 to 9:30

708
00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:53,070
my granddad got a phone call

709
00:33:00,529 --> 00:32:55,860
he's a Southern Baptist minister or was

710
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:00,539
and someone had called in and said that

711
00:33:06,740 --> 00:33:03,210
there had been what they thought was a

712
00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:06,750
plane a small plane crash outside of

713
00:33:13,340 --> 00:33:10,740
town and would he if they sent a car for

714
00:33:15,890 --> 00:33:13,350
him would he come and right along in

715
00:33:20,270 --> 00:33:15,900
case there were people that were injured

716
00:33:23,149 --> 00:33:20,280
that might need prayer or emotional

717
00:33:27,860 --> 00:33:23,159
support from a religious religious

718
00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:27,870
figure and he agreed and so a little

719
00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:31,080
while later a car came and picked him up

720
00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:34,230
and he was gone for a while and the

721
00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:37,080
family speculated in and actually prayed

722
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:40,740
hoping no one was deceased but when

723
00:33:46,580 --> 00:33:43,740
grandfather got there it wasn't at all

724
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:46,590
what he expected was or the people that

725
00:33:54,529 --> 00:33:49,530
I think they loved expected it turned

726
00:33:57,799 --> 00:33:54,539
out to have been a crashed UFO and there

727
00:34:00,380 --> 00:33:57,809
were three aliens that had been inside

728
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:00,390
I'm assuming and either a thrown from

729
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:04,080
the vehicle or or taken out of the

730
00:34:10,899 --> 00:34:06,710
vehicle and we're laying on the ground

731
00:34:14,419 --> 00:34:10,909
and grandfather was able to walk up to

732
00:34:19,460 --> 00:34:14,429
part of the UFO was kind of crashed open

733
00:34:24,859 --> 00:34:19,470
laying open and he could see inside and

734
00:34:29,050 --> 00:34:24,869
he saw many gauges and instruments and

735
00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:29,060
things that didn't look familiar to him

736
00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:31,470
one of the things that he mentioned to

737
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:34,260
my dad and I've never spoken of this is

738
00:34:41,659 --> 00:34:37,530
what appeared to be in on a pedestal in

739
00:34:43,629 --> 00:34:41,669
the middle of the UFO like he described

740
00:34:46,169 --> 00:34:43,639
it as being like a gyroscope

741
00:34:50,129 --> 00:34:46,179
it was Spalding and

742
00:34:53,010 --> 00:34:50,139
and nearly could move but not fixed and

743
00:34:57,260 --> 00:34:53,020
what impressed him the most fascinated

744
00:35:02,160 --> 00:34:57,270
him was on the inside all the way around

745
00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:02,170
the UFO symbols and markings that looked

746
00:35:06,529 --> 00:35:04,390
to him they weren't familiar but they

747
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:06,539
looked like what he had seen of

748
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:12,130
hieroglyphics and on the outside when he

749
00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:14,970
went to where the aliens

750
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:18,760
he called them little people we're lying

751
00:35:24,089 --> 00:35:22,210
two of them more deceased already but

752
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:24,099
there was the third one who was still

753
00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:27,250
breathing very shallowly he could see

754
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:31,270
the chest both of them so he knelt down

755
00:35:39,329 --> 00:35:34,690
beside of him and took him at his wrists

756
00:35:43,529 --> 00:35:39,339
and prayed for him and if you've ever

757
00:35:46,819 --> 00:35:43,539
seen the typical alien pictures the eyes

758
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:46,829
they don't have lids so they don't close

759
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:49,359
so it's as if they're staring directly

760
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:54,010
at you the entire time and the

761
00:36:01,410 --> 00:35:56,890
experience of that is something you

762
00:36:05,789 --> 00:36:01,420
don't forget and he said not long after

763
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:05,799
he he prayed over him he did expire as

764
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:08,910
well and of course he was totally

765
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:11,890
involved in what he was seeing and doing

766
00:36:16,609 --> 00:36:14,049
at the moment but when he looked up

767
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:16,619
began to see that there was military

768
00:36:21,690 --> 00:36:19,359
everywhere just had began to drive up

769
00:36:24,569 --> 00:36:21,700
and get out of there heckles and come

770
00:36:27,299 --> 00:36:24,579
towards them and it's been reported by

771
00:36:30,450 --> 00:36:27,309
other people whom I don't I've never met

772
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:30,460
that reported that there were FBI and

773
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:33,250
different people there and justice for

774
00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:36,690
people and there wasn't there was the

775
00:36:42,589 --> 00:36:39,670
people who lived on the property of

776
00:36:45,569 --> 00:36:42,599
course seeing the crash had come down

777
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:45,579
and there wasn't a lot of fire there

778
00:36:55,019 --> 00:36:50,079
wasn't the aliens were not burnt it was

779
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:55,029
a minor fire in the field and and there

780
00:36:59,250 --> 00:36:57,490
was a few neighbors that perhaps had

781
00:37:00,000 --> 00:36:59,260
been there and a couple of other people

782
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:00,010
that Grande

783
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:03,280
assumed one was a we we thought a

784
00:37:11,060 --> 00:37:07,810
reporter or he got a reporter and when

785
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:11,070
the military did show up the whole tone

786
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:14,650
changed immediately they began to take

787
00:37:20,340 --> 00:37:17,410
small groups of the people to the side

788
00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:20,350
and have individual conversations with

789
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:24,430
them and telling them basically this

790
00:37:29,370 --> 00:37:27,730
didn't happen you didn't see this and

791
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:29,380
you're not able to speak of it again

792
00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:35,200
this is a matter of national security

793
00:37:41,730 --> 00:37:39,430
well granddad listened and he would have

794
00:37:43,859 --> 00:37:41,740
complied anyway even if they hadn't said

795
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:43,869
national security but they didn't

796
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:45,760
intimidate him it didn't scare him

797
00:37:51,410 --> 00:37:49,119
granddad was that kind of a man he was

798
00:37:53,849 --> 00:37:51,420
an honorable man he was very

799
00:37:55,530 --> 00:37:53,859
straightforward and if they said you

800
00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:55,540
know don't talk about it and he wouldn't

801
00:37:59,340 --> 00:37:56,520
got to talk about it

802
00:38:02,940 --> 00:37:59,350
however after after they dropped him off

803
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:02,950
back at home the family was waiting up

804
00:38:08,370 --> 00:38:06,250
as you would naturally would wanting to

805
00:38:12,359 --> 00:38:08,380
know what had happened in in grandad

806
00:38:14,130 --> 00:38:12,369
related everything to them but he said

807
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:14,140
he wouldn't speak of it again because

808
00:38:19,410 --> 00:38:17,410
they had asked him not to do that in

809
00:38:23,849 --> 00:38:19,420
about two weeks so we could have maybe

810
00:38:26,370 --> 00:38:23,859
two weeks after the fact there was a

811
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:26,380
knock at the door one evening again at

812
00:38:31,710 --> 00:38:29,200
night around eight or nine o'clock and

813
00:38:34,050 --> 00:38:31,720
there was a gentleman that asked if he

814
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:34,060
could have a word with him privately in

815
00:38:42,930 --> 00:38:38,410
this study and so he did and after he

816
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:42,940
left granddad and grandma said well what

817
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:45,609
what was that about we'll and he said

818
00:38:55,020 --> 00:38:51,330
well he he had taken this photograph and

819
00:38:59,580 --> 00:38:55,030
he had taken it with his private camera

820
00:39:01,950 --> 00:38:59,590
and it was not confiscated when the

821
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:01,960
military got there because he it was a

822
00:39:06,140 --> 00:39:03,760
small personal camera he put it down

823
00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:06,150
there's a coat they didn't see it and he

824
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:09,640
had developed a picture and it was one

825
00:39:15,970 --> 00:39:13,010
of the aliens and tools the

826
00:39:17,770 --> 00:39:15,980
man and it's been reported that it was

827
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:17,780
two policemen that held him up in the

828
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:20,570
picture that would that's not true it

829
00:39:27,070 --> 00:39:22,310
was just two individuals that happened

830
00:39:29,410 --> 00:39:27,080
to be there and they put one arm each

831
00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:29,420
man on either side I mean put one arm

832
00:39:38,109 --> 00:39:33,470
under his armpit and the other near his

833
00:39:41,230 --> 00:39:38,119
elbow and held him out because he very

834
00:39:45,370 --> 00:39:41,240
very long arms and they took a picture

835
00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:45,380
of him and so he told dad

836
00:39:51,609 --> 00:39:48,680
this man was even nervous when he showed

837
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:51,619
up my grandmother said you could tell he

838
00:39:58,240 --> 00:39:55,760
was scared of something and she said it

839
00:40:02,530 --> 00:39:58,250
bothered it bothered granted that he was

840
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:02,540
so so unnerved by it but he wanted a

841
00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:05,330
granddad and asking would he takes a

842
00:40:11,830 --> 00:40:08,350
picture and keep it because he felt like

843
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:11,840
humanity need to be aware of it he

844
00:40:15,849 --> 00:40:13,910
wasn't one that was had the courage to

845
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:15,859
come forward with it but would granddad

846
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:19,730
keep it and and so he did and that's the

847
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:22,640
picture he gave to mine actually my dad

848
00:40:27,730 --> 00:40:24,290
kept it for him

849
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:27,740
and so I I had seen that picture from

850
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:31,310
the time I was little up until all I

851
00:40:37,330 --> 00:40:35,090
don't know I was about eight or nine and

852
00:40:40,060 --> 00:40:37,340
a friend of dads had Willie they were

853
00:40:41,250 --> 00:40:40,070
having a dinner party a friend was a

854
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:41,260
photographer

855
00:40:48,190 --> 00:40:43,910
and he had asked dad if he could borrow

856
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:48,200
it he wanted to help him authenticated

857
00:40:54,940 --> 00:40:51,650
and to show it to his parents and the

858
00:40:57,900 --> 00:40:54,950
man's name was Walter Wang Fisk he was a

859
00:41:02,170 --> 00:40:57,910
personal friend of my moms and dads and

860
00:41:03,810 --> 00:41:02,180
dad dad let him check it and we didn't

861
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:03,820
never get it back

862
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:07,970
we for the we did a made-for-tv

863
00:41:15,970 --> 00:41:13,070
documentary and we re-enacted a picture

864
00:41:18,990 --> 00:41:15,980
made in a replica of what it would be

865
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:19,000
like and so from that that was

866
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:23,330
granddad's part of his experience his

867
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:26,720
story but what most people don't know

868
00:41:35,849 --> 00:41:29,810
because I've never spoken of it but I've

869
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:35,859
never been asked either bad years later

870
00:41:40,660 --> 00:41:40,010
people that know me gave me a copy of

871
00:41:45,250 --> 00:41:40,670
the book

872
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:45,260
the Watchers by Raymond Fowler and in it

873
00:41:53,319 --> 00:41:51,200
he surmises that if someone has had that

874
00:41:56,050 --> 00:41:53,329
close of an encounter with an alien

875
00:42:00,370 --> 00:41:56,060
being that they tend to follow the

876
00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:00,380
families after that and they absolutely

877
00:42:10,170 --> 00:42:05,750
have and that part of my life is still

878
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:10,180
going on it affected our entire family

879
00:42:17,710 --> 00:42:14,000
in in many many different ways when I

880
00:42:19,450 --> 00:42:17,720
was born my sister's older she's two

881
00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:19,460
years old his name she was born in in

882
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:26,380
May and I was born in 40 in 1943 and

883
00:42:34,329 --> 00:42:29,890
when I was born I came in not knowing

884
00:42:38,740 --> 00:42:34,339
even what they meant with all kinds of

885
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:38,750
gifts that my mother told me they were

886
00:42:44,140 --> 00:42:41,290
gifts of God and I was told them sacred

887
00:42:45,849 --> 00:42:44,150
not to ever make fun of them or to use

888
00:42:49,630 --> 00:42:45,859
them and always to explain they came

889
00:42:53,950 --> 00:42:49,640
from God and that has been in my life

890
00:42:55,930 --> 00:42:53,960
ever since taken many many different

891
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:55,940
places and and other members of my

892
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:57,920
family were gifted in many ways but we

893
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,040
we have been abductees we've been I mean

894
00:43:06,910 --> 00:43:02,960
they just are in and out of our life and

895
00:43:10,359 --> 00:43:06,920
always have been so it's quite

896
00:43:13,180 --> 00:43:10,369
interesting to me in my life in the very

897
00:43:15,339 --> 00:43:13,190
beginning I didn't think of myself as

898
00:43:19,630 --> 00:43:15,349
being anybody special I don't to this

899
00:43:21,870 --> 00:43:19,640
day I'm just like everybody else you

900
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:21,880
need you have opportunities and things

901
00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:24,530
gifts that you have and you either use

902
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:30,550
them or you don't but I don't have any

903
00:43:36,670 --> 00:43:32,690
additional things that aren't available

904
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:36,680
to everybody but I but I have never

905
00:43:42,579 --> 00:43:39,890
turned loose of them and I speak of them

906
00:43:43,859 --> 00:43:42,589
it's been my life's work ever since in

907
00:43:51,490 --> 00:43:43,869
it it's fascinating

908
00:44:01,029 --> 00:43:51,500
scary but fascinating so that's

909
00:44:05,710 --> 00:44:01,039
basically granddad's story and the I was

910
00:44:10,029 --> 00:44:05,720
approached after I wrote to Raymond

911
00:44:13,809 --> 00:44:10,039
Fowler after I read the book and in

912
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:13,819
regard to the part about them following

913
00:44:20,620 --> 00:44:16,970
families and he interned unbeknownst to

914
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:20,630
me spent copy of my letter tool in

915
00:44:27,819 --> 00:44:23,690
Springfield and Lynn then in turn called

916
00:44:32,289 --> 00:44:27,829
me and at that time I had granddad's

917
00:44:33,759 --> 00:44:32,299
experience but I didn't have any of the

918
00:44:37,809 --> 00:44:33,769
UFO background

919
00:44:40,210 --> 00:44:37,819
none at all I didn't know I just didn't

920
00:44:44,109 --> 00:44:40,220
know anything about it and so I had not

921
00:44:46,650 --> 00:44:44,119
heard of MUFON or Glen Stringfield or

922
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:46,660
didn't know who Stanton Friedman was I

923
00:44:54,450 --> 00:44:52,160
soon got a crash course but so after we

924
00:44:57,460 --> 00:44:54,460
talked several times on the phone I

925
00:45:00,430 --> 00:44:57,470
found him to be a very kind person and

926
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:00,440
he told me of some of the work he had

927
00:45:05,859 --> 00:45:02,720
done sent me some of this his papers and

928
00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:05,869
books and things like that in one thing

929
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:09,160
it has just led to another it's always

930
00:45:15,460 --> 00:45:12,410
you a door opens and you take a step

931
00:45:19,299 --> 00:45:15,470
towards it and then here is a whole

932
00:45:23,410 --> 00:45:19,309
whole outlay so I've lived to what I

933
00:45:25,509 --> 00:45:23,420
call a dual life in that I had my

934
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:25,519
grandfather and the structured religion

935
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:31,569
on one side and then on the other side

936
00:45:38,289 --> 00:45:34,609
the other the other part of the line

937
00:45:42,460 --> 00:45:38,299
that was so relevant to me day in and

938
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:42,470
day out but it was my life has been very

939
00:45:47,170 --> 00:45:45,170
eclectic the things that have happened

940
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:47,180
to me and others in my family very

941
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,450
eclectic and granddad was not the type

942
00:45:53,460 --> 00:45:53,119
of man even before his experience where

943
00:46:02,839 --> 00:45:53,470
he

944
00:46:06,210 --> 00:46:02,849
changed his perspective in many ways

945
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:06,220
grandmother and I talked about it she

946
00:46:11,970 --> 00:46:09,250
came come to my home and stayed with me

947
00:46:15,930 --> 00:46:11,980
when she was in the last stages of

948
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:15,940
cancer she took her chemotherapy at my

949
00:46:24,930 --> 00:46:19,599
home in Texas and it's one thing my dad

950
00:46:29,330 --> 00:46:24,940
was a very flamboyant person very

951
00:46:32,849 --> 00:46:29,340
interesting and he had a large subject

952
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:32,859
matter that he was interested in but he

953
00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:34,930
tended to lay things on a little thick

954
00:46:42,270 --> 00:46:39,540
so here's some things from my dad and

955
00:46:45,390 --> 00:46:42,280
then to hear him from my grandmother or

956
00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:45,400
like difference of night and day so when

957
00:46:51,420 --> 00:46:48,040
she was ill I tried to talk with her

958
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:51,430
about the many stories and bits and

959
00:46:56,580 --> 00:46:52,930
pieces that I had heard through the

960
00:46:59,300 --> 00:46:56,590
family and at first she would talk to me

961
00:47:03,450 --> 00:46:59,310
about it because grandpa told her not to

962
00:47:07,410 --> 00:47:03,460
but later she began to fill in the

963
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:07,420
blanks for me and then after she left

964
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:11,680
this world then whether you want to call

965
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:13,839
it God or the highest consciousness

966
00:47:19,770 --> 00:47:16,170
whatever name you want to put to it

967
00:47:23,730 --> 00:47:19,780
began to reveal to me time and time and

968
00:47:26,460 --> 00:47:23,740
time and time again the idiosyncrasies

969
00:47:28,829 --> 00:47:26,470
as them being brought together they

970
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:28,839
aren't separate they're all one and we

971
00:47:34,530 --> 00:47:31,510
can't have one without the other we have

972
00:47:59,820 --> 00:47:34,540
to embrace it and be open minded but

973
00:48:18,990 --> 00:48:02,190
are there any questions you want to ask

974
00:48:33,690 --> 00:48:21,579
Martin if you're speaking to me I'm not

975
00:48:37,089 --> 00:48:33,700
hearing you okay all right so I

976
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:37,099
apologize up for that I like the

977
00:48:40,930 --> 00:48:39,170
listener out there may not know I may

978
00:48:45,130 --> 00:48:40,940
not care when that's okay if you don't

979
00:48:47,859 --> 00:48:45,140
but I have been away from home for now

980
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:47,869
it'll be a month tomorrow and in hotel

981
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:50,089
rooms and I have my own I have my

982
00:48:55,150 --> 00:48:52,730
portable equipment with me and while I

983
00:48:58,569 --> 00:48:55,160
was listening to you somehow I must have

984
00:49:02,410 --> 00:48:58,579
unplugged my microphone so so I

985
00:49:05,530 --> 00:49:02,420
apologize you were asking me so yes I do

986
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:05,540
have some questions and I apologize for

987
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:08,480
the listening audience as well but one

988
00:49:12,579 --> 00:49:10,250
of the things I wanted to know is how

989
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:12,589
did this story get out in the first

990
00:49:19,059 --> 00:49:14,710
place and about when did it come out

991
00:49:21,220 --> 00:49:19,069
well actually and I think it probably

992
00:49:27,370 --> 00:49:21,230
got out the first time would have been

993
00:49:32,829 --> 00:49:27,380
back in nineteen around 1999 to 2000

994
00:49:34,750 --> 00:49:32,839
when I first got in touch with Lynn or

995
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:34,760
when he got in touch with me because

996
00:49:40,030 --> 00:49:36,770
priory that I had only reached out to

997
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,040
Raymond through a letter I hadn't talked

998
00:49:45,790 --> 00:49:42,319
to anybody else and no one had ever

999
00:49:47,620 --> 00:49:45,800
approached me and so that I think that

1000
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:47,630
would probably have to have been the

1001
00:49:56,260 --> 00:49:52,250
beginning and Leonard had asked to if he

1002
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:56,270
could include my story in a presentation

1003
00:50:03,099 --> 00:49:59,839
he was making to the MUFON conferences

1004
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:03,109
that they do each year and he did it in

1005
00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:07,490
a in a book that was entitled the status

1006
00:50:14,370 --> 00:50:11,390
report number six and he wrote in there

1007
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:14,380
and the interesting part of that is

1008
00:50:19,450 --> 00:50:16,970
there's so much more to the story that

1009
00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:19,460
you know just the very basics ever got

1010
00:50:29,380 --> 00:50:23,300
out and and he presented it in in that

1011
00:50:31,620 --> 00:50:29,390
at that time but the most I don't think

1012
00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:31,630
there's anybody that knows maybe stances

1013
00:50:38,010 --> 00:50:33,790
Friedman those I've discussed it with

1014
00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:38,020
him but he also included another story

1015
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:44,260
of mine in the same same presentation in

1016
00:50:54,750 --> 00:50:50,640
the epilogue at one time about summer of

1017
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:54,760
1979 I was at I worked for the phone

1018
00:51:01,470 --> 00:50:57,330
company then and I was working at it

1019
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:01,480
away from the company giving a talk I

1020
00:51:10,410 --> 00:51:07,210
thanked and retired four-star Major

1021
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:10,420
General by the name of Melvin McNichol

1022
00:51:20,070 --> 00:51:16,210
he had the base when he retired from the

1023
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:20,080
Air Force he it was in Oklahoma City at

1024
00:51:26,820 --> 00:51:23,170
tinker field he also had had the base at

1025
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:26,830
Wiesbaden Germany and after he retired

1026
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:33,490
he was a part of the Space Museum there

1027
00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:37,930
in Oklahoma City and he called the phone

1028
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:40,390
company and described me and wanted my

1029
00:51:45,690 --> 00:51:42,370
phone number and they gave it to him and

1030
00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:45,700
it began a friendship of about eight or

1031
00:51:52,050 --> 00:51:48,430
nine years that we had that was very

1032
00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:52,060
very informative and really really very

1033
00:52:01,380 --> 00:51:58,690
helpful in the UFO information and so he

1034
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:01,390
and I discussed it took him a whole year

1035
00:52:06,060 --> 00:52:03,010
and a half after we knew each other for

1036
00:52:08,340 --> 00:52:06,070
him to ever confide in me anything but

1037
00:52:09,870 --> 00:52:08,350
one day we got on the subject of UFOs

1038
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:09,880
and he was familiar with granddad's

1039
00:52:16,860 --> 00:52:12,010
because I had told him granddad's

1040
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:16,870
experience and I said to him I said Mel

1041
00:52:25,410 --> 00:52:23,290
you know is it true do you know that

1042
00:52:27,930 --> 00:52:25,420
there is such a thing as UFOs have you

1043
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:27,940
ever seen one do you do you know that

1044
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:32,050
the Air Force does cover them up and he

1045
00:52:38,070 --> 00:52:34,090
looked at me and he smiled and he said

1046
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,080
Charlotte it's absolutely true and he

1047
00:52:43,830 --> 00:52:41,200
didn't divulge enough information to get

1048
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:43,840
into trouble but enough to tell me he

1049
00:52:48,359 --> 00:52:46,170
had walked around one

1050
00:52:51,870 --> 00:52:48,369
basically where he was when that

1051
00:52:54,990 --> 00:52:51,880
happened and that they did exist and

1052
00:52:57,720 --> 00:52:55,000
that and I asked him why would they keep

1053
00:53:00,809 --> 00:52:57,730
it so secret and he said Jarvis the

1054
00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:00,819
general public cannot handle this and I

1055
00:53:05,130 --> 00:53:03,190
said well I'm the general public of

1056
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:05,140
course they couldn't hate me do you

1057
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:06,970
think you are but you're not

1058
00:53:12,329 --> 00:53:09,280
oh wow well that's interesting because

1059
00:53:14,819 --> 00:53:12,339
uh I don't think that's the way it is

1060
00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:14,829
today I feel as though there's more of

1061
00:53:19,980 --> 00:53:16,510
an openness to it than there's ever been

1062
00:53:22,740 --> 00:53:19,990
but you know though absolutely yeah so

1063
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:22,750
do you know who leaked the story to

1064
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:25,210
begin with how how you you know how

1065
00:53:32,430 --> 00:53:27,369
that's that's what's really puzzling to

1066
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:32,440
me well when I talked originally with

1067
00:53:39,059 --> 00:53:35,200
with Leonard he promised me that it

1068
00:53:42,510 --> 00:53:39,069
would never leave his file that it would

1069
00:53:44,490 --> 00:53:42,520
be kept secret and he and he was good in

1070
00:53:47,550 --> 00:53:44,500
doing that he never mentioned my name

1071
00:53:51,950 --> 00:53:47,560
when he presented in annex imposing and

1072
00:53:55,620 --> 00:53:51,960
in one I just described to you told me

1073
00:53:57,690 --> 00:53:55,630
Cherie monet okay but I'm still not

1074
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:57,700
getting into I'm still not getting the

1075
00:54:04,140 --> 00:54:00,240
what I'm trying to understand here is

1076
00:54:06,140 --> 00:54:04,150
someone had to leak the story in the

1077
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:06,150
very beginning to get it out there

1078
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:09,130
support to have him contact you I mean

1079
00:54:13,410 --> 00:54:11,650
who was it someone at the scene beside

1080
00:54:15,809 --> 00:54:13,420
your grandfather grandfather certainly

1081
00:54:18,420 --> 00:54:15,819
didn't well what I've been told

1082
00:54:19,170 --> 00:54:18,430
I really haven't ever found out that to

1083
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:19,180
be exact

1084
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:22,480
I talked with Lynn's wife after he

1085
00:54:30,839 --> 00:54:26,650
passed away because he had promised they

1086
00:54:32,490 --> 00:54:30,849
would be secret and she said people had

1087
00:54:36,180 --> 00:54:32,500
tried to buy them but she didn't let

1088
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:36,190
anybody have them but I later heard that

1089
00:54:41,790 --> 00:54:39,490
Lynn had a stenographer or a secretary

1090
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:41,800
that worked with him and helped him keep

1091
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:42,609
his files

1092
00:54:48,180 --> 00:54:45,910
up and keep them you know all of that

1093
00:54:52,740 --> 00:54:48,190
taken care of and that she had secretly

1094
00:54:55,170 --> 00:54:52,750
copied his information I can't speak to

1095
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:55,180
that for as a truth because that's just

1096
00:55:01,580 --> 00:54:57,450
what I was told

1097
00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:01,590
I don't know exactly where or when it

1098
00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:05,670
was leaked okay someone just made a you

1099
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:07,380
know of course this happened before

1100
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:11,280
there was any you know investigations

1101
00:55:18,050 --> 00:55:15,690
back in nineteen in the 1940s before you

1102
00:55:19,550 --> 00:55:18,060
know the late 1940s oh there was as far

1103
00:55:22,430 --> 00:55:19,560
as we know no one was actually

1104
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:22,440
investigating anything you know so

1105
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:26,880
that's that is interesting now I do want

1106
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:29,250
to tell the listener out there this is

1107
00:55:35,060 --> 00:55:32,970
something that people just may think is

1108
00:55:38,510 --> 00:55:35,070
strange but it was true at the time was

1109
00:55:39,860 --> 00:55:38,520
when there was you know car crashes

1110
00:55:42,860 --> 00:55:39,870
things like that when there are people

1111
00:55:45,470 --> 00:55:42,870
dying or or actually dead it was

1112
00:55:48,110 --> 00:55:45,480
certainly very very common for for the

1113
00:55:50,090 --> 00:55:48,120
police to ask a reverend to bless bless

1114
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:50,100
the people bless the bodies that was

1115
00:55:55,070 --> 00:55:52,920
just common that was always done so it's

1116
00:55:58,070 --> 00:55:55,080
nothing that part's not unusual at all

1117
00:56:00,260 --> 00:55:58,080
of course what the part that's unusual

1118
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:00,270
is when they came up to the crash and it

1119
00:56:05,690 --> 00:56:03,450
wasn't a car crash right so yeah so

1120
00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:05,700
that's that's all interesting another

1121
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:08,070
thing about the picture the picture

1122
00:56:15,110 --> 00:56:11,010
that's online anyone can actually google

1123
00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:15,120
that if you just go in and Google and do

1124
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:18,180
the Cape Girardeau UFO crash you will

1125
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:20,760
see a picture of it looks like maybe a

1126
00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:23,730
brim to brim hat people holding up an

1127
00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:26,910
alien and you know that picture now you

1128
00:56:33,620 --> 00:56:30,420
saw the original picture yes you did you

1129
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:33,630
have any say and to what the you know

1130
00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:36,510
the picture that was designed for that

1131
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:40,260
show you know what they came up with was

1132
00:56:44,810 --> 00:56:42,090
that you're part of your input was

1133
00:56:46,690 --> 00:56:44,820
involved in that basically mining Jim

1134
00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:46,700
Marrs

1135
00:56:54,740 --> 00:56:49,740
yeah Jim Jim and I had talked about it

1136
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:54,750
because I've been his personal I guess

1137
00:57:01,880 --> 00:56:57,420
you would call it reader or advisor for

1138
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:01,890
23 years and well had worked with him I

1139
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:07,200
he took me to the that 1897 Aurora crash

1140
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:10,410
scene to check out the little Ellie in

1141
00:57:13,820 --> 00:57:10,770
there

1142
00:57:16,609 --> 00:57:13,830
but we had talked about it and I

1143
00:57:18,260 --> 00:57:16,619
basically it describes what I had seen

1144
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:18,270
in the original picture we just

1145
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:23,490
reenacted it with good people if we did

1146
00:57:29,630 --> 00:57:28,260
it in Roswell I see okay someone asked

1147
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,640
that question on the chat room I thought

1148
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:31,200
was kind of interesting why would people

1149
00:57:34,930 --> 00:57:33,690
bid on a story that had not been made

1150
00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:34,940
public

1151
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:39,660
why would they be it on it yeah I'm not

1152
00:57:44,510 --> 00:57:42,810
sure I understand you mentioned just a

1153
00:57:48,170 --> 00:57:44,520
little while ago that they were trying

1154
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:48,180
to you know buy buy the story or buy buy

1155
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:50,940
something mm-hmm so what were they

1156
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:52,400
trying to buy exactly

1157
00:58:00,080 --> 00:57:56,310
well people a few people that contacted

1158
00:58:02,300 --> 00:58:00,090
me they wanted me to sign a release it

1159
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:02,310
wasn't a matter of any money exchanging

1160
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,290
hands they wanted to do they wanted the

1161
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:06,480
information I said they didn't want me

1162
00:58:12,020 --> 00:58:09,570
or they didn't want me presenting it and

1163
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:12,030
I wouldn't give control over to anybody

1164
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:15,210
else that that's my family's story and I

1165
00:58:20,690 --> 00:58:17,130
wasn't trying to make money I was simply

1166
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:20,700
trying to get the information out to to

1167
00:58:26,450 --> 00:58:23,010
see if other folks could come forward

1168
00:58:28,010 --> 00:58:26,460
you know just to fill it out um and so

1169
00:58:32,510 --> 00:58:28,020
that's why you've not heard a lot about

1170
00:58:33,500 --> 00:58:32,520
it is because that's not my it's not

1171
00:58:38,690 --> 00:58:33,510
what I'm about

1172
00:58:41,150 --> 00:58:38,700
now I know that traffic it's uh Paul

1173
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:41,160
Blake is it is that who as someone who

1174
00:58:44,990 --> 00:58:43,290
was out there telling this story it was

1175
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:45,000
he and wrote a book on it

1176
00:58:55,340 --> 00:58:48,810
how ml 41 is that what you're speaking

1177
00:58:58,790 --> 00:58:55,350
of missus I called Paul yeah Paul Blake

1178
00:59:02,780 --> 00:58:58,800
Smith yeah and was his story did he do a

1179
00:59:07,820 --> 00:59:02,790
fairly accurate job I mean how can I be

1180
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:07,830
nice about I was afraid I was going back

1181
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:09,810
people well um

1182
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:12,890
when I heard about it from your podcast

1183
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:17,280
I went and got a copy and I have never

1184
00:59:20,540 --> 00:59:18,240
been so upset

1185
00:59:24,469 --> 00:59:20,550
you know in my life oh I began to read

1186
00:59:27,180 --> 00:59:24,479
it now I can only speak to the part that

1187
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:27,190
he speaks of my family which is most of

1188
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:29,440
the book and I'm almost on every page

1189
00:59:35,489 --> 00:59:32,559
the only thing that I can tell you that

1190
00:59:38,189 --> 00:59:35,499
is true it would make this a nonfiction

1191
00:59:42,299 --> 00:59:38,199
book is the fact that he was born in

1192
00:59:46,769 --> 00:59:42,309
Cape Girardeau Missouri oh oh yeah he

1193
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:46,779
wrote me two letters in 2014 and he acts

1194
00:59:56,189 --> 00:59:50,049
like he doesn't even know me with a long

1195
00:59:58,769 --> 00:59:56,199
list of questions I didn't even respond

1196
01:00:01,920 --> 00:59:58,779
to the letter because what research he

1197
01:00:07,229 --> 01:00:01,930
had done was so out there and left-field

1198
01:00:11,370 --> 01:00:07,239
I don't know where he got it and I I

1199
01:00:15,209 --> 01:00:11,380
don't I don't want to sue him but I want

1200
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:15,219
to stop him this should never be out

1201
01:00:20,219 --> 01:00:18,160
there the way he paints my granddad the

1202
01:00:23,189 --> 01:00:20,229
things that he says there's no truth to

1203
01:00:25,319 --> 01:00:23,199
them where let's talk about the

1204
01:00:27,029 --> 01:00:25,329
inaccuracies then some of them that

1205
01:00:29,459 --> 01:00:27,039
bother you the most just you know to get

1206
01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:29,469
it out there and and get it you know

1207
01:00:37,140 --> 01:00:34,809
corrected we don't even know where to

1208
01:00:39,449 --> 01:00:37,150
start to be to be honest with you

1209
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:39,459
yeah just touch on some of them what you

1210
01:00:44,459 --> 01:00:41,890
know you know what is bothered you

1211
01:00:49,319 --> 01:00:44,469
well he makes the statement of the

1212
01:00:53,549 --> 01:00:49,329
gentleman who who my grand my dad gave

1213
01:00:56,670 --> 01:00:53,559
the picture to to authenticate he says

1214
01:00:59,160 --> 01:00:56,680
that the man would never never ever

1215
01:01:02,279 --> 01:00:59,170
acknowledge me or talk to me well that's

1216
01:01:05,579 --> 01:01:02,289
not true I talked to him on the

1217
01:01:08,939 --> 01:01:05,589
telephone and at first he was very vague

1218
01:01:09,870 --> 01:01:08,949
but he had been a friend of my family's

1219
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:09,880
for quite a while

1220
01:01:16,109 --> 01:01:12,609
and my mother was quite beautiful and he

1221
01:01:19,469 --> 01:01:16,119
had a crush on her and so I said to him

1222
01:01:22,699 --> 01:01:19,479
I said Wayne you might not remember me

1223
01:01:24,900 --> 01:01:22,709
because I was just a kid but I

1224
01:01:27,269 --> 01:01:24,910
remembered you brought pheasant for

1225
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:27,279
dinner because you had shot it and was

1226
01:01:32,689 --> 01:01:29,650
explaining on and I said do you remember

1227
01:01:37,529 --> 01:01:32,699
the redheaded woman and all of a sudden

1228
01:01:44,099 --> 01:01:37,539
outburst Pauline I said that's my mother

1229
01:01:49,469 --> 01:01:44,109
yes now I did and so we do know where

1230
01:01:51,749 --> 01:01:49,479
the photograph the government has it he

1231
01:01:54,439 --> 01:01:51,759
was entangled and you he was very

1232
01:01:57,419 --> 01:01:54,449
difficult to follow because he would say

1233
01:02:02,849 --> 01:01:57,429
such outlandish things that couldn't be

1234
01:02:05,699 --> 01:02:02,859
proven I mean Ryan would and Bob would

1235
01:02:08,879 --> 01:02:05,709
they're the ones that we did the

1236
01:02:11,339 --> 01:02:08,889
documentary together and Ryan is the

1237
01:02:13,949 --> 01:02:11,349
only one I've ever been given permission

1238
01:02:17,129 --> 01:02:13,959
to use my information in the book which

1239
01:02:20,099 --> 01:02:17,139
was he presented very well in majestic

1240
01:02:24,179 --> 01:02:20,109
eyes only I don't think it's in print

1241
01:02:28,919 --> 01:02:24,189
anymore but you know that that's just

1242
01:02:31,259 --> 01:02:28,929
one thing Stanton went and saw him and

1243
01:02:34,529 --> 01:02:31,269
talked to him and he talked to me on the

1244
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:34,539
phone and you know and it's just not

1245
01:02:41,789 --> 01:02:39,130
true what he says and then he said that

1246
01:02:45,529 --> 01:02:41,799
the photo was given back to us no it

1247
01:02:50,759 --> 01:02:45,539
wasn't it was never given back to it and

1248
01:02:53,159 --> 01:02:50,769
oh gosh well I don't ever want to get

1249
01:02:55,069 --> 01:02:53,169
you upset here but it's just I thought

1250
01:02:57,269 --> 01:02:55,079
it would be a good chance for you to set

1251
01:03:00,419 --> 01:02:57,279
something straight that you know that

1252
01:03:02,219 --> 01:03:00,429
bothered you because he did write a book

1253
01:03:04,949 --> 01:03:02,229
he you know you don't make a lot of

1254
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:04,959
money on books anyway but still you know

1255
01:03:10,259 --> 01:03:07,689
he was getting on coast-to-coast and a

1256
01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:10,269
few other you know interviews because of

1257
01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:14,169
like he was the go-to on that subject

1258
01:03:18,959 --> 01:03:17,169
and so but I think it's best to hear

1259
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:18,969
from you so I was really glad that you

1260
01:03:23,699 --> 01:03:21,249
were willing to come on the show you

1261
01:03:28,289 --> 01:03:23,709
know you're you're closer to secondhand

1262
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:28,299
knowledge to this than anyone else well

1263
01:03:33,569 --> 01:03:30,729
the thing of it is I've never not been

1264
01:03:37,289 --> 01:03:33,579
here and people have approached me and

1265
01:03:42,269 --> 01:03:37,299
if they've asked me for something in the

1266
01:03:45,779 --> 01:03:42,279
right vein I've helped them or tried to

1267
01:03:50,900 --> 01:03:45,789
give them what they needed but not not

1268
01:03:54,170 --> 01:03:50,910
many people came to me and you know

1269
01:03:57,470 --> 01:03:54,180
there is always a time and a place I

1270
01:04:01,849 --> 01:03:57,480
believe that and now it's the time for

1271
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:01,859
the truth to be out and so it's

1272
01:04:07,130 --> 01:04:04,160
happening now I do want to talk about

1273
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:07,140
the abduction situation stuff like that

1274
01:04:09,620 --> 01:04:08,130
I want to make sure that we do not

1275
01:04:12,650 --> 01:04:09,630
forget to talk about that but I want to

1276
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:12,660
go back to okay I want to go back to the

1277
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:14,130
photo because this is really fascinating

1278
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:16,319
me fascinating to me

1279
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:19,170
you actually saw this now your

1280
01:04:22,700 --> 01:04:20,910
grandfather wouldn't have showed this to

1281
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:22,710
I mean he didn't want to talk about no

1282
01:04:27,319 --> 01:04:24,690
no how did that follow it around in the

1283
01:04:29,539 --> 01:04:27,329
family how did that well it actually did

1284
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:29,549
didn't ever float around he just went

1285
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:32,730
from my grandfather not long after he

1286
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:38,640
got it to my dad and dad kept it at the

1287
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,240
house and when there would be times that

1288
01:04:46,940 --> 01:04:44,400
they would my parents would would have

1289
01:04:50,019 --> 01:04:46,950
guests over dinner parties and that

1290
01:04:52,670 --> 01:04:50,029
subject would come up one way or another

1291
01:04:56,799 --> 01:04:52,680
something similar and dad would relate

1292
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:56,809
the story and he would show the picture

1293
01:05:05,089 --> 01:05:00,960
back at the end I guess the magnitude of

1294
01:05:07,370 --> 01:05:05,099
what it was really didn't hit us because

1295
01:05:09,079 --> 01:05:07,380
well especially by myself and my

1296
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:09,089
brothers and sisters because it was just

1297
01:05:14,599 --> 01:05:12,240
always around and we didn't think it was

1298
01:05:16,940 --> 01:05:14,609
anything so much out of the ordinary we

1299
01:05:21,499 --> 01:05:16,950
thought all all people knew all this

1300
01:05:23,029 --> 01:05:21,509
stuff you know when you grow up with

1301
01:05:24,319 --> 01:05:23,039
something and it's around you all the

1302
01:05:26,779 --> 01:05:24,329
time

1303
01:05:29,450 --> 01:05:26,789
you you don't question it that's right

1304
01:05:31,730 --> 01:05:29,460
that's right you know it was just in the

1305
01:05:33,559 --> 01:05:31,740
family pictures I mean I could have gone

1306
01:05:36,890 --> 01:05:33,569
at any time and opened the picture box

1307
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:36,900
and taking it out now can you tell me

1308
01:05:40,609 --> 01:05:39,210
let's let's just describe the photo I

1309
01:05:44,180 --> 01:05:40,619
know I'm kind of focusing on that

1310
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:44,190
probably a little too much but if first

1311
01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:46,650
of all was it real clear you could

1312
01:05:51,349 --> 01:05:49,140
actually see see did the bow very clear

1313
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:51,359
okay yeah very clear and that was one of

1314
01:05:59,230 --> 01:05:55,650
the things in in Smith's book that

1315
01:06:01,460 --> 01:05:59,240
really bothered me because it said it I

1316
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:01,470
forgot what her name was but somebody

1317
01:06:07,069 --> 01:06:03,849
had contacted him and they had taken

1318
01:06:09,479 --> 01:06:07,079
or describe the picture that Walter had

1319
01:06:12,239 --> 01:06:09,489
described a picture to somebody and they

1320
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:12,249
thought it was could look like something

1321
01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:16,089
from out of the sea and changed like

1322
01:06:21,989 --> 01:06:18,430
shape-shift I don't know what that was

1323
01:06:24,299 --> 01:06:21,999
about but no it was remember thank you

1324
01:06:26,940 --> 01:06:24,309
you may not be as I am but if you

1325
01:06:29,009 --> 01:06:26,950
remember back when the pictures with the

1326
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:29,019
little Kodak cameras and they had the

1327
01:06:35,009 --> 01:06:32,529
little scallops and absolutely pathology

1328
01:06:37,319 --> 01:06:35,019
I see them all the time in old photo

1329
01:06:41,609 --> 01:06:37,329
albums the little salt stone edges yeah

1330
01:06:44,460 --> 01:06:41,619
right it looked like that and then it it

1331
01:06:46,289 --> 01:06:44,470
had a big tree in it and there was grass

1332
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:46,299
you could tell it wasn't a yard because

1333
01:06:53,069 --> 01:06:48,720
the grass wasn't like knee-high or so

1334
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:53,079
and the two men you know holding this

1335
01:07:02,759 --> 01:07:00,400
alien and it's it's very clear and I can

1336
01:07:06,839 --> 01:07:02,769
remember people asking me questions

1337
01:07:08,999 --> 01:07:06,849
about the feet or those legs I couldn't

1338
01:07:12,569 --> 01:07:09,009
tell you a lot about them because I was

1339
01:07:16,339 --> 01:07:12,579
always fixated on the eyes sure there's

1340
01:07:19,729 --> 01:07:16,349
something very haunting about the eyes

1341
01:07:23,309 --> 01:07:19,739
they almost have an energy of their own

1342
01:07:27,979 --> 01:07:23,319
and it's otherworldly and it didn't

1343
01:07:32,190 --> 01:07:27,989
pride me as a child it just pulled me in

1344
01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:32,200
and and I've really always had a feeling

1345
01:07:39,569 --> 01:07:35,440
of a sympathy for them because being

1346
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:39,579
what they were according to my granddad

1347
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:42,130
you know if that's something that

1348
01:07:45,959 --> 01:07:43,839
they're very far from home and they've

1349
01:07:47,940 --> 01:07:45,969
crashed it you know there's there was

1350
01:07:50,759 --> 01:07:47,950
always a little bit of a sadness to me

1351
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:50,769
in it but yeah the picture was was very

1352
01:07:54,779 --> 01:07:52,930
clear now I just want to I want to

1353
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:54,789
mention something about eyes first of

1354
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:56,890
all in a conversation that I had with

1355
01:08:04,099 --> 01:08:01,359
Travis Walton he said the eyes you know

1356
01:08:09,180 --> 01:08:04,109
worth were the scariest part of all and

1357
01:08:10,979 --> 01:08:09,190
it won't be theory yeah and then the you

1358
01:08:12,749 --> 01:08:10,989
know the stare east of the stare was

1359
01:08:17,090 --> 01:08:12,759
something and then I had a conversation

1360
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:17,100
last summer with someone that was a girl

1361
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:20,930
that was involved at the Arial school

1362
01:08:29,090 --> 01:08:26,010
you know encounter redheaded no that was

1363
01:08:34,130 --> 01:08:29,100
but I know who that is God her name's

1364
01:08:36,410 --> 01:08:34,140
Selma some acidic and she said that when

1365
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:36,420
she had to leave to find out if her

1366
01:08:38,660 --> 01:08:37,980
brother and sister were okay in the

1367
01:08:41,060 --> 01:08:38,670
schoolyard

1368
01:08:43,970 --> 01:08:41,070
she said breaking that stare was from

1369
01:08:45,980 --> 01:08:43,980
that being whatever it was was one of

1370
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:45,990
the hardest things she'd ever done is to

1371
01:08:51,290 --> 01:08:48,690
break the stereo berry hypnotic it pulls

1372
01:08:53,870 --> 01:08:51,300
you in even from the photograph I mean I

1373
01:08:56,770 --> 01:08:53,880
wasn't I don't know how granddad felt

1374
01:09:00,349 --> 01:08:56,780
but I know his perspective has changed

1375
01:09:02,980 --> 01:09:00,359
and you know he was very out of the box

1376
01:09:05,930 --> 01:09:02,990
more so than he had ever been after that

1377
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:05,940
much more loving he was always a loving

1378
01:09:11,750 --> 01:09:10,290
person but outwardly showing it and it

1379
01:09:13,820 --> 01:09:11,760
is very hypnotic

1380
01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:13,830
even through the photograph it was to me

1381
01:09:19,970 --> 01:09:18,510
yeah so when when you're when your

1382
01:09:21,500 --> 01:09:19,980
grandfather came out and said he said

1383
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:21,510
I'm only going to tell this one time and

1384
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:25,440
and told the story did I know this is

1385
01:09:30,140 --> 01:09:27,690
kind of a weird question perhaps but did

1386
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:30,150
anyone write any notes or this is you

1387
01:09:33,980 --> 01:09:31,890
said that your father and your

1388
01:09:36,590 --> 01:09:33,990
grandmother both remembered it quite

1389
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:36,600
differently are those the only two

1390
01:09:41,930 --> 01:09:39,359
perspectives that you had well it isn't

1391
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:41,940
that they remembered it differently

1392
01:09:48,050 --> 01:09:45,330
it's just that grandma told it all my

1393
01:09:52,010 --> 01:09:48,060
almost like you would read a historical

1394
01:09:56,950 --> 01:09:52,020
document I see that to my grandmother my

1395
01:09:59,960 --> 01:09:56,960
grand father and daddy were much more

1396
01:10:04,310 --> 01:09:59,970
Chris Matic I guess would be the word

1397
01:10:08,990 --> 01:10:04,320
and and granddad didn't embellish but

1398
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:09,000
dad would you know if if one was you

1399
01:10:13,190 --> 01:10:11,610
know one was a good thing then put two

1400
01:10:16,370 --> 01:10:13,200
in there that's even better

1401
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:16,380
you know so he had that that about him

1402
01:10:22,730 --> 01:10:19,530
and that part I didn't trust exactly so

1403
01:10:25,310 --> 01:10:22,740
I needed to hear it for more than that

1404
01:10:29,570 --> 01:10:25,320
perspective in order to really get to

1405
01:10:30,620 --> 01:10:29,580
what the real truth was hmm so I think

1406
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:30,630
that is a

1407
01:10:34,669 --> 01:10:32,880
using that it changed changed his

1408
01:10:38,030 --> 01:10:34,679
perspective it sounds like it did a

1409
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:38,040
little bit or you know made him more

1410
01:10:44,030 --> 01:10:42,330
open as you said and he kept his word

1411
01:10:46,189 --> 01:10:44,040
all the way to the end he never ever

1412
01:10:49,100 --> 01:10:46,199
would even like on his last few days he

1413
01:10:51,860 --> 01:10:49,110
would never talk about it again as far

1414
01:10:55,370 --> 01:10:51,870
as I know he never did now I think from

1415
01:10:58,220 --> 01:10:55,380
what daddy said that they may have had a

1416
01:11:01,459 --> 01:10:58,230
few private conversations if dad would

1417
01:11:06,290 --> 01:11:01,469
come up with a question he may have

1418
01:11:10,669 --> 01:11:06,300
answered it but to him only it it was

1419
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:10,679
more through granddad behavior and the

1420
01:11:17,390 --> 01:11:13,440
way he handled things that we could tell

1421
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:17,400
a difference in him but no he didn't

1422
01:11:22,939 --> 01:11:21,210
ever speak publicly to anybody else but

1423
01:11:25,820 --> 01:11:22,949
he was he was a private man to begin

1424
01:11:30,620 --> 01:11:25,830
with now back then they wouldn't have

1425
01:11:32,510 --> 01:11:30,630
called it flying saucer or a UFO did the

1426
01:11:34,700 --> 01:11:32,520
word did you did I hear you say the word

1427
01:11:36,860 --> 01:11:34,710
a spaceship today did they call it that

1428
01:11:38,270 --> 01:11:36,870
or what did they what do they say what

1429
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:38,280
did they think that crash or what were

1430
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:41,489
they talking about on the side well on

1431
01:11:52,129 --> 01:11:48,960
the side they just called it what many

1432
01:11:55,100 --> 01:11:52,139
different things one would call it a

1433
01:11:58,189 --> 01:11:55,110
spaceship one would call it something

1434
01:12:00,590 --> 01:11:58,199
from outer space or beyond our world I

1435
01:12:04,580 --> 01:12:00,600
mean there were several different terms

1436
01:12:06,970 --> 01:12:04,590
used because there wasn't anything that

1437
01:12:14,140 --> 01:12:06,980
at the time

1438
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:14,150
one man called it as a cigar alike and

1439
01:12:19,370 --> 01:12:17,040
so there's just a lot of fun there's a

1440
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:19,380
lot of descriptions of this car cigar

1441
01:12:24,830 --> 01:12:22,050
shaped cross so yeah it certainly could

1442
01:12:27,470 --> 01:12:24,840
have been well in it is from what angle

1443
01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:27,480
do you see it I don't know that anybody

1444
01:12:35,060 --> 01:12:31,409
ever saw it as it came down it was

1445
01:12:38,860 --> 01:12:35,070
already crashed and so as you kind of

1446
01:12:42,620 --> 01:12:38,870
drove over the little hill and there was

1447
01:12:43,890 --> 01:12:42,630
it depended on what angle what direction

1448
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:43,900
you were coming it that you

1449
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:46,690
all right you could make the difference

1450
01:12:51,180 --> 01:12:48,880
as well yeah but yeah I called it

1451
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:51,190
several things now it always makes you

1452
01:12:58,050 --> 01:12:54,490
wonder okay so if this truly did happen

1453
01:13:02,370 --> 01:12:58,060
and and it sounds like it a very

1454
01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:02,380
believable case if this happened what

1455
01:13:06,510 --> 01:13:05,110
the heck did they do with the bodies

1456
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:06,520
what the heck did they do with what the

1457
01:13:12,750 --> 01:13:09,570
remains of the craft you know I mean

1458
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:12,760
that's all that's always a question the

1459
01:13:17,970 --> 01:13:15,130
military came and took it all the way

1460
01:13:21,780 --> 01:13:17,980
yeah and more to code that's not not

1461
01:13:25,170 --> 01:13:21,790
unlike well different at the time

1462
01:13:29,550 --> 01:13:25,180
different bases I remember when I was

1463
01:13:34,530 --> 01:13:29,560
talking to Mel the retired Major General

1464
01:13:37,050 --> 01:13:34,540
he spoke of of wright-patterson he spoke

1465
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:37,060
of a Wright Field at the time it was

1466
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:42,130
called yeah and and one on the east

1467
01:13:48,930 --> 01:13:45,970
coast of the west coast he never gave

1468
01:13:52,980 --> 01:13:48,940
the name exactly but it's they had one

1469
01:13:54,750 --> 01:13:52,990
hangar there and and they you could walk

1470
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:54,760
around it they weren't allowed to touch

1471
01:13:59,880 --> 01:13:56,880
it they weren't allowed to go into it

1472
01:14:03,420 --> 01:13:59,890
and whenever things would happen even

1473
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:03,430
being retired he used to be called back

1474
01:14:13,740 --> 01:14:08,850
to Washington for what he called grass

1475
01:14:16,110 --> 01:14:13,750
and I'm not sure because he couldn't go

1476
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:16,120
into it as to what those were but they

1477
01:14:22,170 --> 01:14:18,970
were of high national security and very

1478
01:14:24,660 --> 01:14:22,180
very secretive well and now the

1479
01:14:28,050 --> 01:14:24,670
hieroglyphics are what appeared to be

1480
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:28,060
hieroglyphics that's that's pretty very

1481
01:14:31,980 --> 01:14:30,250
interesting to me first of all there's

1482
01:14:33,690 --> 01:14:31,990
two other cases that are pretty well

1483
01:14:36,180 --> 01:14:33,700
known purportedly that there were

1484
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:36,190
hieroglyphic lifx one of them would be

1485
01:14:41,900 --> 01:14:38,410
of course Roswell and the second one

1486
01:14:45,630 --> 01:14:41,910
Rendlesham forest the Rendlesham forest

1487
01:14:47,250 --> 01:14:45,640
yeah there was someone that supposedly

1488
01:14:49,380 --> 01:14:47,260
went right up and actually touched the

1489
01:14:51,060 --> 01:14:49,390
craft named Jim Penniston Penniston

1490
01:14:54,500 --> 01:14:51,070
who's actually gonna be on this show

1491
01:14:59,150 --> 01:14:54,510
this show here in a some time in April

1492
01:15:02,180 --> 01:14:59,160
but yes what's that you'll enjoy him

1493
01:15:05,870 --> 01:15:02,190
well yeah so there but they both talk

1494
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:05,880
about the same thing you know I mean you

1495
01:15:09,380 --> 01:15:07,040
know there were stories about

1496
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:09,390
hieroglyphics which i think is really

1497
01:15:16,940 --> 01:15:14,640
interesting I guess it it makes sense I

1498
01:15:19,190 --> 01:15:16,950
mean it's like all any craft that we

1499
01:15:21,620 --> 01:15:19,200
have that goes out there into space or

1500
01:15:24,110 --> 01:15:21,630
anywhere else has you know as far as

1501
01:15:25,580 --> 01:15:24,120
America knows has the flag on it and you

1502
01:15:28,090 --> 01:15:25,590
know all kinds of numbers and things

1503
01:15:32,750 --> 01:15:28,100
like that so yeah that's not surprising

1504
01:15:36,220 --> 01:15:32,760
and and from from what I've seen

1505
01:15:40,010 --> 01:15:36,230
because daddy tried to show me kind of

1506
01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:40,020
you know what they look like symbols and

1507
01:15:46,700 --> 01:15:43,620
they can look very similar and the

1508
01:15:49,390 --> 01:15:46,710
closest thing that people have seen in a

1509
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:49,400
lot of cases are the Egyptian

1510
01:15:54,740 --> 01:15:53,130
hieroglyphics hmm well they tell they

1511
01:15:58,690 --> 01:15:54,750
tell this story every symbol tells the

1512
01:16:01,700 --> 01:15:58,700
story now let's let's talk now about

1513
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:01,710
what has happened in your family you

1514
01:16:07,010 --> 01:16:04,770
started to mention that that you feel as

1515
01:16:09,860 --> 01:16:07,020
though that there's been abductions and

1516
01:16:12,710 --> 01:16:09,870
you have a personal you have personal

1517
01:16:15,170 --> 01:16:12,720
experience in that so if you would if

1518
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:15,180
it's something that's not too painful to

1519
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:17,370
talk about can you tell the listening

1520
01:16:24,860 --> 01:16:20,640
audience what what has happened well I

1521
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:24,870
can tell you of some in the family my

1522
01:16:31,850 --> 01:16:28,560
older sister probably is the one that

1523
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:31,860
had and she's deceased now but before

1524
01:16:37,970 --> 01:16:33,810
she passed away she wrote a notarized

1525
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:37,980
letter stating that this was true true

1526
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:41,940
information she recalled a lot of the

1527
01:16:50,090 --> 01:16:46,890
actual being floated into out the window

1528
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:50,100
and into the spacecraft and experiments

1529
01:16:55,580 --> 01:16:51,600
being done although she didn't know what

1530
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:55,590
was being done and the interesting thing

1531
01:16:59,150 --> 01:16:57,440
is we used to have in-depth

1532
01:17:03,350 --> 01:16:59,160
conversations her and I we were very

1533
01:17:06,740 --> 01:17:03,360
close best friends and at one point when

1534
01:17:08,210 --> 01:17:06,750
I was first beginning to dip my toe in

1535
01:17:12,140 --> 01:17:08,220
the UFO stuff

1536
01:17:14,570 --> 01:17:12,150
trying to make myself aware we had I

1537
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:14,580
said sis tell me some of your

1538
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:16,530
experiences and I'll tell you you know

1539
01:17:22,010 --> 01:17:20,010
what I have and about a month later a

1540
01:17:23,810 --> 01:17:22,020
Raymond Fowler wrote me a letter and

1541
01:17:28,100 --> 01:17:23,820
asked could he speak with her would she

1542
01:17:30,170 --> 01:17:28,110
speak to him and I went to her and asked

1543
01:17:33,260 --> 01:17:30,180
her and she looked at me with the

1544
01:17:34,820 --> 01:17:33,270
blankest face of everything and she said

1545
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:34,830
I don't have any idea what you're

1546
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:35,520
talking about

1547
01:17:43,970 --> 01:17:40,050
really yes Addison well I was chilled to

1548
01:17:44,450 --> 01:17:43,980
the bones and I tried to refresh her

1549
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:44,460
memory

1550
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:47,280
didn't do one bît-yakin not something

1551
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:49,650
yeah and so I had to write back and tell

1552
01:17:54,740 --> 01:17:51,450
him what had happened in that she never

1553
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:54,750
did come forward with that but later

1554
01:18:03,860 --> 01:17:58,560
some of some of others situations would

1555
01:18:06,710 --> 01:18:03,870
come about myself I can recall being if

1556
01:18:09,380 --> 01:18:06,720
it started to get dark I would be very

1557
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:09,390
very afraid and I didn't understand why

1558
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:11,970
but I would wait for my family to go to

1559
01:18:16,250 --> 01:18:14,400
bed my mother especially and I would go

1560
01:18:18,460 --> 01:18:16,260
in the bathroom and shut the door and

1561
01:18:22,100 --> 01:18:18,470
turn the light on and I would stay there

1562
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:22,110
until I would see daylight come in up to

1563
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:24,000
the window and then I would quickly go

1564
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:28,560
get in my bed has been exhausting its

1565
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:31,410
well it was and I didn't quite

1566
01:18:39,470 --> 01:18:36,090
understand why but later understood that

1567
01:18:41,900 --> 01:18:39,480
the missing time you know could be

1568
01:18:44,180 --> 01:18:41,910
retained you could go back and reclaim

1569
01:18:46,460 --> 01:18:44,190
it I didn't want to I didn't care what

1570
01:18:49,850 --> 01:18:46,470
was in there I just knew I didn't want

1571
01:18:52,580 --> 01:18:49,860
it anymore and I have a daughter and and

1572
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:52,590
adopted a son that I have a bedroom here

1573
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:55,920
in my home and both of them started out

1574
01:19:01,970 --> 01:18:57,810
at one time in that bedroom and they

1575
01:19:05,390 --> 01:19:01,980
both asked to be moved because they come

1576
01:19:11,480 --> 01:19:05,400
to that window and they don't want to be

1577
01:19:14,900 --> 01:19:11,490
taken and so you know that happens not a

1578
01:19:16,609 --> 01:19:14,910
lot but occasionally and they do recall

1579
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:16,619
being taken

1580
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:20,610
and my younger brother does as well wow

1581
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:23,610
this is the question came up in the chat

1582
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:25,530
room earlier and and and it's always

1583
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:28,560
been a curious one to me is why the

1584
01:19:33,229 --> 01:19:31,530
multiple abductions if if these are

1585
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:33,239
happening but I want to ask you this

1586
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:34,650
question first before you answer that

1587
01:19:40,430 --> 01:19:38,130
when when was it you first recall it

1588
01:19:42,979 --> 01:19:40,440
happening or your sister talked about it

1589
01:19:45,550 --> 01:19:42,989
happening I'm talking about what what

1590
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:45,560
year approximately if you can remember

1591
01:19:52,250 --> 01:19:48,810
the first time that she talked about it

1592
01:19:55,729 --> 01:19:52,260
to me she was a bat it was in the late

1593
01:19:57,050 --> 01:19:55,739
sixties middle sixties early late

1594
01:19:59,720 --> 01:19:57,060
sixties Wow

1595
01:20:02,479 --> 01:19:59,730
so Bert during that time I can only

1596
01:20:06,649 --> 01:20:02,489
think of bent Betty and Barney Hill in

1597
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:06,659
1961 but we never really heard about any

1598
01:20:13,390 --> 01:20:10,560
abduction type situations happening for

1599
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:13,400
many many years and when she was born

1600
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:16,530
she was born with the gift of

1601
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:18,810
clairvoyance we didn't know that's what

1602
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:22,320
it was called but in its carriage as

1603
01:20:28,820 --> 01:20:24,570
she's probably the most gifted

1604
01:20:30,919 --> 01:20:28,830
clairvoyant I have ever met and it

1605
01:20:34,510 --> 01:20:30,929
scared her like I said and this was in

1606
01:20:39,050 --> 01:20:34,520
the 50s she would see visions and

1607
01:20:43,220 --> 01:20:39,060
pictures of things on the magnitude of

1608
01:20:46,700 --> 01:20:43,230
9/11 and back in the 50s you just didn't

1609
01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:46,710
that just wasn't heard of and my

1610
01:20:51,379 --> 01:20:48,510
grandmother my mother's mother who lived

1611
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:51,389
with us most of her life was a great

1612
01:20:56,450 --> 01:20:54,210
deal of Indian and she told her she said

1613
01:20:59,180 --> 01:20:56,460
I mean if you're not comfortable with

1614
01:21:00,890 --> 01:20:59,190
that gift God has given you ask him to

1615
01:21:05,839 --> 01:21:00,900
take it away and he will it won't make

1616
01:21:09,950 --> 01:21:05,849
it mad and she didn't it went away so it

1617
01:21:12,260 --> 01:21:09,960
can be very very difficult and I hadn't

1618
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:12,270
heard as far as but I was fascinated

1619
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:15,810
when I heard about Betty Andrews I heard

1620
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:18,449
about it in the 70s mhm

1621
01:21:24,830 --> 01:21:21,690
so you had already had situations

1622
01:21:27,260 --> 01:21:24,840
happening before that time then oh gosh

1623
01:21:30,140 --> 01:21:27,270
yes one time one time that I remember

1624
01:21:33,380 --> 01:21:30,150
the entire family was involved there

1625
01:21:36,260 --> 01:21:33,390
were bad storms going on and we were we

1626
01:21:38,209 --> 01:21:36,270
used to go every weekend on a Saturday

1627
01:21:41,689 --> 01:21:38,219
we got our allowance and mom and dad

1628
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:41,699
would take us into town or to town where

1629
01:21:47,450 --> 01:21:44,250
we could spend our our allowances and

1630
01:21:52,130 --> 01:21:47,460
the big thing for us and so we left our

1631
01:21:58,160 --> 01:21:52,140
house and headed to the town nearest to

1632
01:22:02,360 --> 01:21:58,170
us and it took us by well we were gone

1633
01:22:05,930 --> 01:22:02,370
by our time an hour and a half to what

1634
01:22:08,030 --> 01:22:05,940
should have been a 20-minute ride and

1635
01:22:11,870 --> 01:22:08,040
instead of ending up to town that we

1636
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:11,880
were headed to we were driving back on

1637
01:22:17,930 --> 01:22:15,690
our own driveway and we don't know how

1638
01:22:20,570 --> 01:22:17,940
the car got turned around and my dad

1639
01:22:22,399 --> 01:22:20,580
finally surmised well maybe a tornado

1640
01:22:27,770 --> 01:22:22,409
came and picked us up and we didn't know

1641
01:22:30,050 --> 01:22:27,780
it took us back but we later realized it

1642
01:22:33,260 --> 01:22:30,060
it had to have been an encounter of some

1643
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:33,270
kind so yes I've lived with this my

1644
01:22:39,649 --> 01:22:36,449
whole life and my whole family that's

1645
01:22:42,140 --> 01:22:39,659
amazing and of course the missing time

1646
01:22:45,260 --> 01:22:42,150
thing I don't even know if that was

1647
01:22:48,020 --> 01:22:45,270
discussed for a long time even from you

1648
01:22:50,810 --> 01:22:48,030
know Betty and Barney Hill but right

1649
01:22:53,540 --> 01:22:50,820
that's what you hear you know here this

1650
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:53,550
type of thing all the time and and

1651
01:22:57,290 --> 01:22:55,920
people ending up like you're like you

1652
01:22:59,090 --> 01:22:57,300
were saying ending up in a completely

1653
01:23:03,080 --> 01:22:59,100
different place than they remember they

1654
01:23:05,090 --> 01:23:03,090
were at but the whole entire family that

1655
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:05,100
that's that's an amazing that's a crazy

1656
01:23:10,580 --> 01:23:07,679
crazy well you know I think there's

1657
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:10,590
probably a lot more of it but it's not

1658
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:14,010
spoken of or that people don't you you

1659
01:23:18,500 --> 01:23:15,570
kind of have to go through time and then

1660
01:23:20,090 --> 01:23:18,510
look back and see the different things

1661
01:23:21,770 --> 01:23:20,100
that happened and when and it begins

1662
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:21,780
them to make sense there you see the

1663
01:23:28,669 --> 01:23:25,770
pattern of it but we were always from

1664
01:23:31,810 --> 01:23:28,679
you know very eclectic family in fact I

1665
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:31,820
can remember my grandma my grandfather

1666
01:23:36,860 --> 01:23:34,530
we would always be in church of course

1667
01:23:39,950 --> 01:23:36,870
he'd be preaching along and when I was

1668
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:39,960
little I would hear him do a sermon and

1669
01:23:43,550 --> 01:23:41,489
I've said it and I'd say grandpa that's

1670
01:23:45,410 --> 01:23:43,560
wrong that's not right

1671
01:23:48,890 --> 01:23:45,420
of course everybody would just roll her

1672
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:48,900
because it's a kid but I knew at the

1673
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:51,840
time what he was saying was wrong wasn't

1674
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:53,570
the truth

1675
01:23:57,950 --> 01:23:56,880
well someone want to know in chat have

1676
01:24:02,260 --> 01:23:57,960
you ever seen

1677
01:24:08,090 --> 01:24:02,270
UFO yourself yes we didn't want o

1678
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:08,100
describe we'll all of my family has the

1679
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:11,970
one that well the one that I saw was

1680
01:24:21,740 --> 01:24:17,520
over over our home at one time and we

1681
01:24:24,410 --> 01:24:21,750
had been out playing and we came back in

1682
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:24,420
there different four of us I have two

1683
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:30,320
sisters and a brother and I remember I

1684
01:24:37,730 --> 01:24:35,280
get it by feeling I feel more than

1685
01:24:41,420 --> 01:24:37,740
anything because there is there's an

1686
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:41,430
intensity and a vibration to it that is

1687
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:45,600
very very hard to ignore if you've ever

1688
01:24:54,860 --> 01:24:51,210
heard it or felt it so I felt bad and I

1689
01:24:58,460 --> 01:24:54,870
knew that one was either there was

1690
01:25:00,740 --> 01:24:58,470
coming and so I didn't want to alarm

1691
01:25:07,250 --> 01:25:00,750
anybody else in case I was wrong and I

1692
01:25:10,580 --> 01:25:07,260
stepped outside onto the porch and way

1693
01:25:12,740 --> 01:25:10,590
with quite a ways from me so it didn't

1694
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:12,750
appear to be as large as it probably was

1695
01:25:21,050 --> 01:25:16,770
and I was young anyway but I saw one go

1696
01:25:24,170 --> 01:25:21,060
skimming across the sky above tree level

1697
01:25:29,780 --> 01:25:24,180
and as I looked up the minute I caught

1698
01:25:33,530 --> 01:25:29,790
my eye in that range it was gone within

1699
01:25:38,450 --> 01:25:33,540
a blink of the eye Wow

1700
01:25:42,380 --> 01:25:38,460
well interesting so when when you're

1701
01:25:45,470 --> 01:25:42,390
you're your grandfather when he was

1702
01:25:50,510 --> 01:25:45,480
describing you know being there on the

1703
01:25:52,430 --> 01:25:50,520
site and he saw that this crash was open

1704
01:25:54,110 --> 01:25:52,440
you know that the craft was actually

1705
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:54,120
open or broken open or something like

1706
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:54,480
that

1707
01:25:59,240 --> 01:25:56,880
did he ever say

1708
01:26:02,660 --> 01:25:59,250
the size of it about you know like it

1709
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:02,670
looked like it was a 30 feet wide or did

1710
01:26:11,860 --> 01:26:05,040
he ever talk about how they didn't give

1711
01:26:17,690 --> 01:26:16,100
don't know that I don't remember my dad

1712
01:26:20,510 --> 01:26:17,700
even mentioning it I don't think it was

1713
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:20,520
ever mention Olympics between the two of

1714
01:26:24,650 --> 01:26:22,410
them privately we didn't ever hear about

1715
01:26:28,700 --> 01:26:24,660
it and did he ever say how far off of

1716
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:28,710
the main road that it was were they were

1717
01:26:34,970 --> 01:26:31,530
they went to it they had gone he said

1718
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:34,980
about Oh between 13 and 15 miles outside

1719
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:39,120
of town and then they parked on the side

1720
01:26:47,630 --> 01:26:43,050
of the road and went into the field

1721
01:26:50,270 --> 01:26:47,640
about a quarter to half a mile in to the

1722
01:26:53,690 --> 01:26:50,280
wreckage to where it should happen and

1723
01:26:56,210 --> 01:26:53,700
did they ever anyone ever say to him how

1724
01:26:57,890 --> 01:26:56,220
they found this I mean was there any

1725
01:27:00,650 --> 01:26:57,900
casual conversation or was it all just

1726
01:27:02,630 --> 01:27:00,660
you go there you bless the parties and

1727
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:02,640
you leave it was at that type of thing

1728
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:04,800
no I think he had a little bit of

1729
01:27:09,050 --> 01:27:07,440
conversation with the the owners of the

1730
01:27:11,570 --> 01:27:09,060
property because they were standing out

1731
01:27:13,940 --> 01:27:11,580
there I mean they were already there

1732
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:16,540
yeah they had walked down from the house

1733
01:27:26,270 --> 01:27:21,330
and a farming family and man and wife

1734
01:27:30,230 --> 01:27:26,280
and you know they were concerned and he

1735
01:27:33,260 --> 01:27:30,240
was just I think from what grandma said

1736
01:27:38,590 --> 01:27:33,270
that granddad told her that he was kind

1737
01:27:41,540 --> 01:27:38,600
of like in shock he didn't say very much

1738
01:27:43,460 --> 01:27:41,550
but but the look on his face granddad

1739
01:27:46,150 --> 01:27:43,470
was a little concerned about he and his

1740
01:27:48,290 --> 01:27:46,160
wife both that you know they just

1741
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:48,300
couldn't accept what they were saying

1742
01:27:56,210 --> 01:27:51,810
just just hard to accept right right

1743
01:27:58,610 --> 01:27:56,220
well I mean it's just completely out of

1744
01:28:01,340 --> 01:27:58,620
you know the realm of what you would

1745
01:28:02,780 --> 01:28:01,350
expect to see so it's really it's really

1746
01:28:03,950 --> 01:28:02,790
hard to get your head around when you

1747
01:28:07,170 --> 01:28:03,960
see something like that it certainly

1748
01:28:10,230 --> 01:28:07,180
absolutely could be in shock

1749
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:10,240
so you're not the first person on the

1750
01:28:15,390 --> 01:28:13,090
show that has said that they have felt

1751
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:15,400
like there was going to be you know a

1752
01:28:21,300 --> 01:28:18,250
sighting or a UFO but but why did you

1753
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:21,310
why did you hold back on on why do you

1754
01:28:25,980 --> 01:28:23,290
think you held back on not telling

1755
01:28:29,670 --> 01:28:25,990
anyone like when you had that feeling

1756
01:28:31,470 --> 01:28:29,680
did you we embarrassed about it or oh no

1757
01:28:35,540 --> 01:28:31,480
no I wasn't embarrassed about it I

1758
01:28:39,810 --> 01:28:35,550
didn't think about any of that yes it's

1759
01:28:42,270 --> 01:28:39,820
it's like your mindset changes and

1760
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:42,280
you're not really thinking of what you

1761
01:28:49,140 --> 01:28:45,130
ordinarily would it your mind is not

1762
01:28:51,150 --> 01:28:49,150
that of a regular person okay it's the

1763
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:51,160
best way I know how to describe it

1764
01:28:56,370 --> 01:28:54,400
uh-huh and did you the part where you

1765
01:28:59,610 --> 01:28:56,380
told us about you know your sister just

1766
01:29:01,200 --> 01:28:59,620
completely I don't know if it's denying

1767
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:01,210
it or do you think that she totally

1768
01:29:06,510 --> 01:29:03,730
forgot I mean I mean like it was like no

1769
01:29:08,490 --> 01:29:06,520
I think it had been wiped me out of her

1770
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:08,500
mind like it never happened because my

1771
01:29:15,210 --> 01:29:12,250
sister we we couldn't tell each other a

1772
01:29:17,250 --> 01:29:15,220
lie or a story I mean if we were that

1773
01:29:19,020 --> 01:29:17,260
transparent with each other and it was

1774
01:29:21,090 --> 01:29:19,030
just like I could tell it was like all

1775
01:29:24,090 --> 01:29:21,100
of a sudden nobody was home uh-huh

1776
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:24,100
you know just the eyes kind of like

1777
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:26,770
glazed over and she looked at me like

1778
01:29:33,930 --> 01:29:30,010
who are you what are you talking about

1779
01:29:37,230 --> 01:29:33,940
and so I I didn't push it at the time

1780
01:29:39,450 --> 01:29:37,240
and I didn't want to know what was in my

1781
01:29:42,030 --> 01:29:39,460
missing time for a long long time and I

1782
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:42,040
didn't trust your mind is a very

1783
01:29:49,020 --> 01:29:45,520
important thing to guard and I didn't

1784
01:29:53,580 --> 01:29:49,030
want just anybody they hypnotized me at

1785
01:29:56,250 --> 01:29:53,590
one point I was had thought about having

1786
01:29:58,680 --> 01:29:56,260
Budd Hopkins I would have pressed adhere

1787
01:30:01,800 --> 01:29:58,690
and he but he was sick at the time and

1788
01:30:03,270 --> 01:30:01,810
the last time I talked with Stan I

1789
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:03,280
hadn't heard from him and I did more to

1790
01:30:11,220 --> 01:30:06,210
bother him and and so Stan said he

1791
01:30:14,460 --> 01:30:11,230
contacted him he was very sick but I was

1792
01:30:17,250 --> 01:30:14,470
regressed one time and had one

1793
01:30:18,979 --> 01:30:17,260
experience come through a little bit and

1794
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:18,989
that was enough for me

1795
01:30:24,290 --> 01:30:22,050
I bet I mean that's that's something a

1796
01:30:28,580 --> 01:30:24,300
lot of people are very reluctant to do

1797
01:30:31,340 --> 01:30:28,590
and and I totally get that and you know

1798
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:31,350
I I'm not sure if something like half

1799
01:30:37,970 --> 01:30:33,210
that happened to me I think I would

1800
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:37,980
probably be the same way I'm sorry I

1801
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:39,810
mean I'm in a hotel room and my dog

1802
01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:42,930
keeps barking I do apologize for that

1803
01:30:47,150 --> 01:30:46,080
okay I can't do anything about that

1804
01:30:50,330 --> 01:30:47,160
right now

1805
01:30:54,170 --> 01:30:50,340
yeah can you talk about the more about

1806
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:54,180
what you consider the gifts that your

1807
01:31:02,150 --> 01:30:57,090
family there avoids what about you what

1808
01:31:05,300 --> 01:31:02,160
well yes for the last no 35 years of my

1809
01:31:07,700 --> 01:31:05,310
life um we used to do what my mother

1810
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:07,710
called fortunate Helen you know she her

1811
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:10,320
and grandma used to deck of cards and

1812
01:31:13,940 --> 01:31:12,090
they would shuffle cards and they would

1813
01:31:16,190 --> 01:31:13,950
give what they called readings to people

1814
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:16,200
and tell them about their future that

1815
01:31:20,060 --> 01:31:18,090
had more to do with my grandma and her

1816
01:31:25,750 --> 01:31:20,070
Native American side than it did

1817
01:31:32,270 --> 01:31:25,760
anything else but I when I came in I

1818
01:31:36,170 --> 01:31:32,280
touch people if I touch you I can tell

1819
01:31:38,690 --> 01:31:36,180
you if a person is genuine if they're

1820
01:31:43,610 --> 01:31:38,700
lying to you if they're not really

1821
01:31:45,290 --> 01:31:43,620
connected if you will oftentimes I have

1822
01:31:49,670 --> 01:31:45,300
a lot of people they'll say well is

1823
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:49,680
so-and-so real for real can I go and pay

1824
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:51,570
my money to that person if I can touch

1825
01:31:58,100 --> 01:31:55,650
him I can tell you and and I read do

1826
01:32:02,570 --> 01:31:58,110
readings for people and have for the

1827
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:02,580
last 30 years by touch I'm not saying

1828
01:32:06,020 --> 01:32:04,050
that there aren't other people that are

1829
01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:06,030
psychic they have those abilities

1830
01:32:13,790 --> 01:32:11,040
I'm just not mind and then at different

1831
01:32:15,530 --> 01:32:13,800
times when situations come up I have

1832
01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:15,540
worked with the police for missing

1833
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:17,280
people people bring me

1834
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:21,690
oh yes if you bring me something that I

1835
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:25,530
can touch that was the person I can give

1836
01:32:32,540 --> 01:32:29,280
you information about them

1837
01:32:34,820 --> 01:32:32,550
and I don't like to do those cases

1838
01:32:38,570 --> 01:32:34,830
because you you share that space and you

1839
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:38,580
go through some of it but if God tells

1840
01:32:47,930 --> 01:32:41,130
me to do it I do it so I do that

1841
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:47,940
occasionally and I can take information

1842
01:32:55,220 --> 01:32:53,250
I had to learn to put energy around me

1843
01:32:57,740 --> 01:32:55,230
and protection around me so that when I

1844
01:33:03,560 --> 01:32:57,750
go somewhere like Walmart I don't pick

1845
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:03,570
up everything everybody's stuff so you

1846
01:33:10,220 --> 01:33:07,170
know it's it's a gift in one way in

1847
01:33:12,110 --> 01:33:10,230
another way it's not always wonderful to

1848
01:33:18,740 --> 01:33:12,120
know things that you know you're not

1849
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:18,750
supposed to know but it's it's I have it

1850
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:22,130
and I've learned that the you know

1851
01:33:26,930 --> 01:33:24,570
jargon that goes with it as far as I

1852
01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:26,940
didn't know what psychometry was I don't

1853
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:29,120
know what it is all I knew was somebody

1854
01:33:35,390 --> 01:33:32,570
put a picture in my hand one time and

1855
01:33:40,010 --> 01:33:35,400
immediately I began to see pictures just

1856
01:33:42,380 --> 01:33:40,020
like watching them a movie screen and

1857
01:33:44,270 --> 01:33:42,390
you know I relayed that information I

1858
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:44,280
have a lot of minute come to me for

1859
01:33:49,670 --> 01:33:46,560
investments it's not just all psychic

1860
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:49,680
stuff I mean it's everyday nuts in both

1861
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:53,090
things that they that they want to know

1862
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:54,530
[Music]

1863
01:33:59,090 --> 01:33:56,730
someone in chat we've already touched on

1864
01:34:02,650 --> 01:33:59,100
this a little bit but maybe we can talk

1865
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:02,660
a little bit more have you looked into

1866
01:34:09,140 --> 01:34:05,970
cases that were you know like Travis

1867
01:34:11,060 --> 01:34:09,150
Walton in Betty and Barney Hill cases

1868
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:11,070
like that have you paid attention to

1869
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:13,170
those things you know I'm not a

1870
01:34:19,610 --> 01:34:18,210
researcher I'm an experienced and and

1871
01:34:22,730 --> 01:34:19,620
they're different and they all have

1872
01:34:27,020 --> 01:34:22,740
their place I know that Travis the first

1873
01:34:29,900 --> 01:34:27,030
time I met him and I touched him I made

1874
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:29,910
him cry and I cried I didn't mean to

1875
01:34:35,690 --> 01:34:32,850
make him cry but there is that I think

1876
01:34:38,930 --> 01:34:35,700
it's that soul knowingness that you've

1877
01:34:42,620 --> 01:34:38,940
been where they are my question to him

1878
01:34:43,129 --> 01:34:42,630
was I was not prepared for the politics

1879
01:34:45,379 --> 01:34:43,139
and

1880
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:45,389
all the stuff that goes along with this

1881
01:34:51,169 --> 01:34:48,210
kind of stuff I didn't know it existed

1882
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:51,179
and so many people had been you know

1883
01:34:55,459 --> 01:34:53,130
trying to get me to change when it

1884
01:34:58,129 --> 01:34:55,469
happened it changed this and to change

1885
01:35:01,209 --> 01:34:58,139
that and I asked him did that happen to

1886
01:35:06,129 --> 01:35:01,219
him and he looked at me and he said a

1887
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:06,139
holder time stay true to your truth and

1888
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:09,449
there's a bond for me I haven't talked

1889
01:35:14,060 --> 01:35:12,480
to him about it at all and I don't mean

1890
01:35:16,490 --> 01:35:14,070
to imply that we're close friends were

1891
01:35:19,070 --> 01:35:16,500
not but I have been where he's I had not

1892
01:35:21,590 --> 01:35:19,080
heard him speak and I've touched him and

1893
01:35:24,919 --> 01:35:21,600
there's just something that when I see

1894
01:35:27,020 --> 01:35:24,929
him it's like seeing the truth in

1895
01:35:30,350 --> 01:35:27,030
another person I mean the truth to the

1896
01:35:33,220 --> 01:35:30,360
depth of what it is he knows well I'll

1897
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:33,230
tell you I have never felt anything but

1898
01:35:39,649 --> 01:35:36,330
honesty and you know sitting across from

1899
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:39,659
him talking to him the best time not

1900
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:41,489
talking on the show the best time I sat

1901
01:35:45,649 --> 01:35:43,770
I was at a conference that he was at and

1902
01:35:48,229 --> 01:35:45,659
he and I were sitting in a back room

1903
01:35:50,419 --> 01:35:48,239
right by a restaurant door where the

1904
01:35:52,010 --> 01:35:50,429
waitstaff was going in and out and we

1905
01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:52,020
sat there for about a couple hours and

1906
01:35:57,169 --> 01:35:54,239
just talked about other things and then

1907
01:36:00,649 --> 01:35:57,179
we got it real deep you know some really

1908
01:36:04,669 --> 01:36:00,659
deep conversations and you know off the

1909
01:36:08,740 --> 01:36:04,679
record that I think Travis is a hundred

1910
01:36:11,899 --> 01:36:08,750
percent legit myself and absolutely yeah

1911
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:11,909
and when he lost his brother he did I

1912
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:15,449
mean his brother was his his you know

1913
01:36:23,510 --> 01:36:20,250
rock for him and and you know that

1914
01:36:25,399 --> 01:36:23,520
happens with a lot of people when you

1915
01:36:27,859 --> 01:36:25,409
know somebody and you know that they are

1916
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:27,869
real to the core and the soul of who

1917
01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:30,090
they are when you lose them you really

1918
01:36:33,910 --> 01:36:32,400
lost something I experienced that with

1919
01:36:40,459 --> 01:36:33,920
Jim Marrs

1920
01:36:40,939 --> 01:36:40,469
one time he's a nice guy he was fun to

1921
01:36:45,229 --> 01:36:40,949
talk to

1922
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:45,239
yeah yeah he was well you know he made a

1923
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:47,760
joke of just about everything and

1924
01:36:53,209 --> 01:36:50,400
several times he would say sure it what

1925
01:36:55,700 --> 01:36:53,219
why do I not get approached this way or

1926
01:36:56,899 --> 01:36:55,710
that way and I'd say Jim you don't even

1927
01:36:59,419 --> 01:36:56,909
know that

1928
01:37:01,250 --> 01:36:59,429
you of who you are and if you don't know

1929
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:01,260
it you know other people are not going

1930
01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:04,290
to really don't respect that did they

1931
01:37:09,550 --> 01:37:07,199
take it as a joke and he was shaky said

1932
01:37:13,370 --> 01:37:09,560
he said just too much of a good old boy

1933
01:37:18,020 --> 01:37:13,380
and that was him yeah he was a Texan -

1934
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:18,030
and did you and every other we didn't

1935
01:37:22,910 --> 01:37:21,360
well maybe 80 some miles close enough

1936
01:37:25,310 --> 01:37:22,920
that he would come here for his reading

1937
01:37:28,370 --> 01:37:25,320
sometimes I'd go spend the weekend at

1938
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:28,380
his house and when he passed we we shot

1939
01:37:35,060 --> 01:37:33,090
some of his ashes out of a cannon oh

1940
01:37:36,500 --> 01:37:35,070
he's quite he was quite the character

1941
01:37:39,770 --> 01:37:36,510
quite the character

1942
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:39,780
yeah interesting interesting going back

1943
01:37:46,879 --> 01:37:44,730
to going back to this case as far as you

1944
01:37:49,879 --> 01:37:46,889
know has anyone else that was on that

1945
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:49,889
site talked about you know any other

1946
01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:54,210
witness talked about what they saw not

1947
01:37:59,510 --> 01:37:57,330
not firsthand no that not that I'm aware

1948
01:38:03,080 --> 01:37:59,520
of the closest that there has been is

1949
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:03,090
that when Ryan wood did some of his

1950
01:38:09,250 --> 01:38:05,489
research for the book that that I was

1951
01:38:12,410 --> 01:38:09,260
aware of it and agreed to let him do

1952
01:38:17,090 --> 01:38:12,420
would have been the son of the sheriff

1953
01:38:19,820 --> 01:38:17,100
at the time and it was that he he didn't

1954
01:38:24,919 --> 01:38:19,830
have first-hand knowledge but he said he

1955
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:24,929
did remember hearing of a crashed UFO

1956
01:38:32,990 --> 01:38:30,719
and and little people and that would be

1957
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:33,000
the only one that I'm aware of

1958
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:35,850
now I don't know what research I haven't

1959
01:38:42,830 --> 01:38:38,880
I haven't you know after he did the book

1960
01:38:45,860 --> 01:38:42,840
oh he went on to other things and so did

1961
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:45,870
I but he could have gotten more

1962
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:48,570
information because he had a website up

1963
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:52,770
for people to contact him but I haven't

1964
01:38:59,060 --> 01:38:55,130
heard from him that he found anybody

1965
01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:59,070
yeah with first-hand information you

1966
01:39:04,100 --> 01:39:01,199
know it was also different times when

1967
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:04,110
back then you know of course this was

1968
01:39:08,979 --> 01:39:06,449
just when the war was getting ready to

1969
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:08,989
start at the end of the same year

1970
01:39:12,140 --> 01:39:10,530
everyone list

1971
01:39:14,060 --> 01:39:12,150
and to the government of the government

1972
01:39:18,190 --> 01:39:14,070
somewhere from the oh yeah he said you

1973
01:39:20,330 --> 01:39:18,200
know you don't talk about this they

1974
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:20,340
absolutely didn't it was a different

1975
01:39:25,130 --> 01:39:23,280
time I don't know why today if this

1976
01:39:27,050 --> 01:39:25,140
happened there'd be I phone snapping

1977
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:27,060
away and you'd be on Instagram and

1978
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:29,970
everything else wouldn't be possible in

1979
01:39:36,290 --> 01:39:32,880
this day and time that's right yeah it

1980
01:39:39,260 --> 01:39:36,300
just wouldn't yeah yeah that would it

1981
01:39:41,570 --> 01:39:39,270
would just be a viral thing but so we

1982
01:39:44,900 --> 01:39:41,580
have we have just about ten minutes left

1983
01:39:46,730 --> 01:39:44,910
and okay so I don't know if this at this

1984
01:39:49,460 --> 01:39:46,740
point you know I could take some

1985
01:39:55,790 --> 01:39:49,470
questions in from the chat room but if

1986
01:39:58,820 --> 01:39:55,800
if you think that besides Blake

1987
01:40:00,860 --> 01:39:58,830
Paul Blake Smith's book what are some

1988
01:40:02,900 --> 01:40:00,870
other misconceptions who said there was

1989
01:40:04,190 --> 01:40:02,910
a lot out there that was you know a lot

1990
01:40:05,390 --> 01:40:04,200
of people out there that were telling

1991
01:40:08,090 --> 01:40:05,400
the story and they were telling it wrong

1992
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:08,100
or telling your story wrong well some of

1993
01:40:12,410 --> 01:40:10,170
its little things and some of its bigger

1994
01:40:14,270 --> 01:40:12,420
things like and I've seen it printed

1995
01:40:16,190 --> 01:40:14,280
everywhere that granddad went out to

1996
01:40:20,150 --> 01:40:16,200
give last rites he was Baptist they

1997
01:40:25,070 --> 01:40:20,160
don't do less right does right yeah

1998
01:40:27,050 --> 01:40:25,080
that's Catholic and you know it they can

1999
01:40:28,610 --> 01:40:27,060
be as small as that and when I read that

2000
01:40:31,490 --> 01:40:28,620
it's like well they they don't really

2001
01:40:35,170 --> 01:40:31,500
know what they're talking about they've

2002
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:35,180
read some of the other stuff and

2003
01:40:42,110 --> 01:40:39,210
misconceptions of the the number of

2004
01:40:44,270 --> 01:40:42,120
people that were there like they say

2005
01:40:46,750 --> 01:40:44,280
that the picture was two policemen

2006
01:40:50,510 --> 01:40:46,760
holding the alien up no it wasn't at all

2007
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:50,520
I only know of the police in connection

2008
01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:54,690
with who came and picked up my granddad

2009
01:41:00,800 --> 01:40:58,320
was was from the police department and

2010
01:41:04,100 --> 01:41:00,810
it had been mentioned at one place that

2011
01:41:05,660 --> 01:41:04,110
the FBI was there no they weren't the

2012
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:05,670
only people that were there were the

2013
01:41:10,730 --> 01:41:08,610
people from the farmhouse one or two

2014
01:41:12,890 --> 01:41:10,740
neighbors which there weren't many

2015
01:41:17,180 --> 01:41:12,900
because it was property was not close

2016
01:41:24,030 --> 01:41:17,190
not like houses next door and things and

2017
01:41:27,090 --> 01:41:24,040
I think probably that where the

2018
01:41:30,510 --> 01:41:27,100
radio choose a police like the newspaper

2019
01:41:33,210 --> 01:41:30,520
will pick those things up a few people

2020
01:41:35,790 --> 01:41:33,220
like that but there probably was is I've

2021
01:41:40,860 --> 01:41:35,800
heard in read that there were lots of

2022
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:40,870
people there there wasn't maybe top 15

2023
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:47,250
does that many sometimes the the time

2024
01:41:52,980 --> 01:41:51,010
being earlier I've had some that I've

2025
01:41:57,150 --> 01:41:52,990
read that they've got it in different

2026
01:42:01,260 --> 01:41:57,160
towns that they're close but not where

2027
01:42:04,740 --> 01:42:01,270
my granddad's was so they'll have

2028
01:42:09,390 --> 01:42:04,750
different locations they'll have

2029
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:09,400
different times of the day this was at

2030
01:42:15,180 --> 01:42:12,850
night you know I don't think anybody

2031
01:42:20,700 --> 01:42:15,190
would think 9:00 or 9:30 at night is

2032
01:42:25,530 --> 01:42:20,710
like fix or five or six you know just

2033
01:42:27,930 --> 01:42:25,540
things like that one of the questions

2034
01:42:31,650 --> 01:42:27,940
that always seems to come up and and a

2035
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:31,660
question that I have to is a crash why a

2036
01:42:35,790 --> 01:42:33,850
crash I mean of course you have no

2037
01:42:39,420 --> 01:42:35,800
answer I have no answer but it is

2038
01:42:42,890 --> 01:42:39,430
curious as to why a craft would crash to

2039
01:42:46,580 --> 01:42:42,900
begin with especially if it if it was

2040
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:46,590
from an alien planet or some other place

2041
01:42:50,820 --> 01:42:49,330
of course we really don't I don't think

2042
01:42:54,330 --> 01:42:50,830
there's anyone that really knows for

2043
01:42:58,920 --> 01:42:54,340
sure where these things or wherever or

2044
01:43:01,440 --> 01:42:58,930
whatever are coming from but still it is

2045
01:43:05,450 --> 01:43:01,450
a curious thing why a craft would if it

2046
01:43:08,430 --> 01:43:05,460
did travel you know such a long distance

2047
01:43:13,140 --> 01:43:08,440
how it would crash on the earth that is

2048
01:43:16,710 --> 01:43:13,150
a bizarre well I don't find it being so

2049
01:43:18,750 --> 01:43:16,720
bizarre you know there is no such thing

2050
01:43:20,250 --> 01:43:18,760
as perfection I don't care how many

2051
01:43:23,670 --> 01:43:20,260
years you've been around or how

2052
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:23,680
intelligent you've become there is no

2053
01:43:31,710 --> 01:43:28,170
perfection and so things can go wrong

2054
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:31,720
the fact that they travel that far would

2055
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:34,480
to me say the possibility of something

2056
01:43:39,229 --> 01:43:36,970
happened Rises

2057
01:43:44,750 --> 01:43:39,239
rather than

2058
01:43:51,239 --> 01:43:44,760
and not knowing what their propulsion is

2059
01:43:55,890 --> 01:43:51,249
I know in the 60s you know they there's

2060
01:43:58,649 --> 01:43:55,900
a colony under Manchester they're all

2061
01:44:03,719 --> 01:43:58,659
over it has to do with a lot of times

2062
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:03,729
the the pads and how they run with with

2063
01:44:10,169 --> 01:44:08,130
actual impulses the the grids the

2064
01:44:13,620 --> 01:44:10,179
electronic grids

2065
01:44:16,770 --> 01:44:13,630
many things can go wrong and so I can't

2066
01:44:17,969 --> 01:44:16,780
see why they wouldn't okay well it's

2067
01:44:22,609 --> 01:44:17,979
always good to hear a different

2068
01:44:25,049 --> 01:44:22,619
perspective on that in particular and I

2069
01:44:28,979 --> 01:44:25,059
you know it's just it's just a thought

2070
01:44:31,259 --> 01:44:28,989
and and you know it has anyone that

2071
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:31,269
you've talked to ever thought it could

2072
01:44:36,270 --> 01:44:34,570
be something else besides aliens or do

2073
01:44:38,939 --> 01:44:36,280
you think that's kind of the direction

2074
01:44:40,799 --> 01:44:38,949
that this the thoughts were on the

2075
01:44:43,129 --> 01:44:40,809
people that interviewed you and you have

2076
01:44:50,060 --> 01:44:43,139
spoken with over the years about this

2077
01:44:53,100 --> 01:44:50,070
I've never had anybody go that direction

2078
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:53,110
the majority of the people that I've

2079
01:45:01,439 --> 01:44:56,130
talked to believe that that's the case

2080
01:45:04,169 --> 01:45:01,449
because it's it has to do with not just

2081
01:45:07,819 --> 01:45:04,179
what is in front of you but what are you

2082
01:45:12,239 --> 01:45:07,829
feeling because we we are a

2083
01:45:15,930 --> 01:45:12,249
multi-faceted and we're more than human

2084
01:45:19,549 --> 01:45:15,940
beings we're only 50 percent human the

2085
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:19,559
other 50% is is the spiritual side of us

2086
01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:23,170
and that you know there there are no

2087
01:45:29,700 --> 01:45:25,119
boundaries to that and if you and if you

2088
01:45:31,799 --> 01:45:29,710
I started out and I followed all the

2089
01:45:35,129 --> 01:45:31,809
major religious I attend the Department

2090
01:45:39,149 --> 01:45:35,139
of the world religions for 1993 there

2091
01:45:41,009 --> 01:45:39,159
was 128 religions represented and when

2092
01:45:43,140 --> 01:45:41,019
you get into the nuts and bolts of all

2093
01:45:46,009 --> 01:45:43,150
of them there is a thread that runs

2094
01:45:50,759 --> 01:45:46,019
between them that is who we all are

2095
01:45:52,330 --> 01:45:50,769
where we all come from and so you know

2096
01:45:54,820 --> 01:45:52,340
knowing that there

2097
01:45:57,820 --> 01:45:54,830
not like us they don't look like this if

2098
01:46:00,370 --> 01:45:57,830
you have any kind of contact you realize

2099
01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:00,380
that and it's the feeling that you get

2100
01:46:07,689 --> 01:46:05,090
in your soul that this is extremely

2101
01:46:09,370 --> 01:46:07,699
different it's not like you go to

2102
01:46:11,500 --> 01:46:09,380
another country and you see yes people

2103
01:46:17,649 --> 01:46:11,510
who look different than you do there is

2104
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:17,659
a feeling of that difference on the

2105
01:46:24,490 --> 01:46:20,090
degree in that level that it can't be

2106
01:46:26,910 --> 01:46:24,500
from here hard to explain it's more

2107
01:46:30,910 --> 01:46:26,920
about feeling than it is explaining it

2108
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:30,920
sure going back to what you said earlier

2109
01:46:38,189 --> 01:46:35,449
about staying up until you know locking

2110
01:46:42,100 --> 01:46:38,199
yourself in the bathroom yeah like yeah

2111
01:46:43,390 --> 01:46:42,110
did all of your experiences and from

2112
01:46:45,669 --> 01:46:43,400
what you knew of your sister's

2113
01:46:47,620 --> 01:46:45,679
experience just before she that all got

2114
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:47,630
blanked out from her did everything

2115
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:51,290
occur during the night time only it

2116
01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:53,690
didn't always but the majority of the

2117
01:47:02,350 --> 01:46:56,570
time it was worse at night there is it's

2118
01:47:06,729 --> 01:47:02,360
a lot easier to to travel to be out of

2119
01:47:10,839 --> 01:47:06,739
your body to have experiences when the

2120
01:47:14,530 --> 01:47:10,849
vibrational level of the human on the

2121
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:14,540
earth is is at a lower point not as much

2122
01:47:21,129 --> 01:47:19,130
going on not as much to break that it

2123
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:21,139
you can get through from the other side

2124
01:47:27,370 --> 01:47:24,489
if you will because I do a lot of

2125
01:47:29,850 --> 01:47:27,380
connecting families deceased loved ones

2126
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:29,860
I do a lot of work with people who have

2127
01:47:35,290 --> 01:47:32,690
family that's committed suicide for them

2128
01:47:39,060 --> 01:47:35,300
to be able to reach through is much

2129
01:47:44,919 --> 01:47:39,070
easier when there's not as much of that

2130
01:47:48,939 --> 01:47:44,929
energy vibration so it's easier at night

2131
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:48,949
than it is during the day but no there

2132
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:50,480
are things that have happened in broad

2133
01:48:00,970 --> 01:47:58,870
and you know the this the situation with

2134
01:48:03,220 --> 01:48:00,980
your family you know you said you've got

2135
01:48:05,669 --> 01:48:03,230
to speak to your your grandmother I

2136
01:48:10,770 --> 01:48:05,679
don't know exactly when she she passed

2137
01:48:13,709 --> 01:48:10,780
before 1984 so it was a lot of talk you

2138
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:13,719
know she saw all the UFO flaps going on

2139
01:48:18,419 --> 01:48:16,090
and stuff like that do you know did your

2140
01:48:21,540 --> 01:48:18,429
family pay attention to those things or

2141
01:48:23,610 --> 01:48:21,550
was this just something that you know

2142
01:48:24,810 --> 01:48:23,620
it's just the family situation that

2143
01:48:30,149 --> 01:48:24,820
happened and they didn't discuss

2144
01:48:32,370 --> 01:48:30,159
anything else okay when you say the UFO

2145
01:48:34,500 --> 01:48:32,380
flaps in regards to my grandmother I'm

2146
01:48:36,090 --> 01:48:34,510
not sure what you're speaking I'm just

2147
01:48:39,689 --> 01:48:36,100
saying there was a lot in the news you

2148
01:48:44,820 --> 01:48:42,330
oh no we didn't follow any of that you

2149
01:48:48,540 --> 01:48:44,830
didn't know no we didn't follow any of

2150
01:48:50,430 --> 01:48:48,550
that we didn't it's hard to imagine that

2151
01:48:54,209 --> 01:48:50,440
was an incident that happened in our

2152
01:48:58,320 --> 01:48:54,219
family and we kind of just put it up on

2153
01:49:02,330 --> 01:48:58,330
the shelf and you know other than the

2154
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:02,340
fact that I continued to want to

2155
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:04,810
validate it for myself

2156
01:49:09,959 --> 01:49:06,370
and that's all it was about was to

2157
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:09,969
validate it for myself and then later to

2158
01:49:17,370 --> 01:49:13,570
see if it explained I was the way I was

2159
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:17,380
in my life was the way it was we didn't

2160
01:49:22,919 --> 01:49:20,560
follow any of it in fact when the first

2161
01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:22,929
time that Stanton Friedman I called me

2162
01:49:29,580 --> 01:49:26,080
he got my number from Prince Stringfield

2163
01:49:32,189 --> 01:49:29,590
I didn't know who he was I had not heard

2164
01:49:34,590 --> 01:49:32,199
of him and I felt bad because you could

2165
01:49:38,220 --> 01:49:34,600
tell he it was hard for him to imagine

2166
01:49:39,870 --> 01:49:38,230
that I know who he was and so he sent me

2167
01:49:44,070 --> 01:49:39,880
a couple of his books and it's like oh

2168
01:49:46,020 --> 01:49:44,080
yeah I'd say me I called him in a weird

2169
01:49:49,500 --> 01:49:46,030
professor you know but no he didn't

2170
01:49:51,180 --> 01:49:49,510
follow it so far well Charlotte we're at

2171
01:49:53,700 --> 01:49:51,190
the end of the show I want to thank you

2172
01:49:54,689 --> 01:49:53,710
so much for for coming on it's well

2173
01:49:56,910 --> 01:49:54,699
you're very welcome

2174
01:49:58,979 --> 01:49:56,920
I appreciate the opportunity to kind of

2175
01:50:02,220 --> 01:49:58,989
set things straight because I think

2176
01:50:05,459 --> 01:50:02,230
people are owed the truth and it ought

2177
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:05,469
to be what it is that's right I really

2178
01:50:09,810 --> 01:50:07,449
appreciate it and now maybe we'll see

2179
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:09,820
you out there speaking you know getting

2180
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:11,290
the story out more that would be nice

2181
01:50:14,879 --> 01:50:11,770
too

2182
01:50:17,820 --> 01:50:14,889
oh well in regards to that I've been

2183
01:50:18,819 --> 01:50:17,830
asked Alejandro has asked me to speak at

2184
01:50:22,540 --> 01:50:18,829
the International

2185
01:50:25,119 --> 01:50:22,550
this year so I'm not sure it worked you

2186
01:50:26,770 --> 01:50:25,129
did you do excellent

2187
01:50:33,279 --> 01:50:26,780
that's wonderful I'll see you in October

2188
01:50:36,310 --> 01:50:33,289
is it October okay I'll see you then all

2189
01:50:40,839 --> 01:50:36,320
right okay thanks so much you bet

2190
01:50:42,969 --> 01:50:40,849
you take care of you too papa all right

2191
01:50:45,179 --> 01:50:42,979
everyone thank you so much for listening

2192
01:50:48,549 --> 01:50:45,189
that's it for our show this evening and

2193
01:50:50,500 --> 01:50:48,559
next week we have Earl Grey on he's a

2194
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:50,510
great guy I can't wait to have him on

2195
01:50:55,029 --> 01:50:51,530
that'll be a lot of fun

2196
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:55,039
and so I do want to thank everyone first

2197
01:50:58,389 --> 01:50:56,570
of all for listening to the show and

2198
01:50:59,889 --> 01:50:58,399
second of all all the people that

2199
01:51:02,859 --> 01:50:59,899
support the show I want to thank you

2200
01:51:04,419 --> 01:51:02,869
very much and I also want to thank the

2201
01:51:06,989 --> 01:51:04,429
people behind the scenes that helped

2202
01:51:10,540 --> 01:51:06,999
this happen Peggy helps out with the

2203
01:51:12,250 --> 01:51:10,550
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2204
01:51:15,279 --> 01:51:12,260
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2205
01:51:17,409 --> 01:51:15,289
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2206
01:51:27,310 --> 01:51:17,419
be back next week and remember everyone